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Alveda King inspires audience at pregnancy center event

The Fayette Pregnancy Resource Center is an organization that is unashamedly pro-life and pro-Christian. The center’s annual banquet and fundraiser at the Wyndham Peachtree Conference Center Jan. 25 featured Dr. Alveda King and was attended by several hundred residents from Fayette and Coweta counties and around southwest metro Atlanta.

Dr. King, niece of Martin Luther King, Jr., was the featured speaker at the event. Woven throughout the fabric of her remarks was the question, “How can the dream survive if we murder the children?”

More a testimony than anything else, King spoke about the occurrences in her own life that dealt with life and death, birth and abortion.

“Being pro-life is not a political position,” King said. “God is not Democrat or Republican. Life is for everybody. Life is from conception until natural death.”

King noted what she had observed with the prevalence of abortion clinics across the nation, adding that many are located near college campuses.

“Our young people are under siege, under attack. And we have to help them,” King explained. “Centers like the Fayette Pregnancy Resource Center saves the lives of babies.”

And as much as anything, King reiterated the need for continued contributions to further the cause and the mission of the Fayette Pregnancy Resource Center.

“Can I do it all? No. Can I do more. Yes,” King noted. “What can I do? Pray and give money.”

Georgia Lt. Governor Casey Cagle served as emcee at the banquet.

Fayette Pregnancy Resource Center Executive Director Luci Hough during the dinner said the pro-life, pro-Christian center in 2010 served 329 clients from around southwest metro Atlanta, including 223 first-time clients, and conducted 1,612 client visits at the facility. Hough said there were 77 positive pregnancy tests. Fourteen of the center’s clients were abortion-minded or vulnerable, Hough said.

And in terms of number for which statistics have a diminished bearing, there were five babies saved through counseling in 2010, two minds changed from abortion to undecided, 243 Gospel presentations and 32 clients who received Christ, Hough said.

Speaking in broader terms, Hough said one in 10 girls between ages 15-19 become pregnant each year to a father that is at least four years older. Many of those girls become pregnant again within a year. Hough said 78 percent of births to teen mothers occur outside of marriage.

The center provides pregnancy testing, counseling, education on pregnancy, abortion alternatives, referrals for medical, housing, adoption and other services and operates a large clothes closet that dispensed more than 37,000 diapers last year. All services are free and confidential.

The Fayette Pregnancy Resource Center is located in Fayetteville at 116 Bethea Road, Suite 208. The new center on Ga. Highway 54 near downtown Fayetteville is under construction and is still in need of additional funds to complete the project.

For more information call 770-719-2288 or visit www.fayetteprc.com.

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For those women hoping for professional help and medical attention when encountering an unwanted pregnancy, these pregnancy resources centers are NOT bound to follow HIPAA privacy laws, since they are not medically licensed. Women are giving up their personal sexual history—their medical history—to volunteers instead of medical professionals and the centers can do whatever they like with it, or event tell whomever they like.

Think twice before you trust these places with your health and privacy.

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While it all seems like a great idea for alternatives to abortion and support, all it takes is one part-time zealot volunteer who suddenly decides its in your best interest to have all your personal and medical history plastered all over the Internet or your employer contacted that you are considering the possibility of having an abortion, even when you are just getting information and considering all the options.

In 2011, there is a TON of risk involved in giving up all your information to unlicensed volunteers on anything, especially this issue.

Like hungry vultures circling young prey, the Christian Predator Center preys on scared, vulnerable young women, seeking to coerce them into their Fundie brand of Christianity.

With the possible exception of Taliban Trey Hoffman and the Spanish Inquisition, they represent the absolute worst elements of Christianity.

The Wedge's picture

You have just confirmed your atheistic credentials. Carry on about mocking God, now. Regardless of the utility of these centers, I know from where you are coming.

Please, brother Wedge, go Cheney yourself.

I despise fundamentalist Christians who mock both God and Christ by coercing people into following Christ. That is the antithesis of the tenets of Christianity. Christians should enter the faith of their own free will.

You seem to want to pigeonhole me into your stereotype of the "godless librul". I'm quite happy and content in my faith. Are you?

p.s. same disgust also holds for those who would legislate their own interpretation of Christian morality upon everyone, and yes I'm talking about you, Mr. "Archbishop of Sharpsburg"....

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Coercion is the hallmark of the progressive state, there Bacon. It does not exist without coercion. Now I believe in free will, especially that I have the right to follow or not follow God. I do not see how voluntary crisis couseling becomes coercion unless mandated by the state. Sort of like requiring private health insurance. I will reap what I sow. Now I am a person of nuance, for example... I do not have any pause when it comes to medication that keeps and egg from implanting against a wall. I do not care if someone drinks or gambles as it is legal and nobody is forcing one to do that conduct. Now I find you especially interesting... you think that God gives people cancer if they run companies that hold layoffs or scale back benefits. God feels mocked by a very common place thing-give caesar what is caesar. God is mocked when somebody performs the Great Commission and takes it as a duty from God. But God is perfectly okay with taking a vacuum spike, puncturing a 34 week term inutero baby and sucking out its brains and collapsing the skull. It your world God is honored in this human transaction. Now understand--I am comfortable with everything about me. Also I have zero ties to Sharpsburg. Now, I have met you and found you unlikeable in person. Your poor opinion of me gives me no pause or loss of sleep as I am sure that mine affects you not. Now understand this one--you will wind up getting banned and changing your moniker again sooner or later and I will not. You will do as you have done

[quote=The Wedge]Coercion is the hallmark of the progressive state, there Bacon. It does not exist without coercion. Now I believe in free will, especially that I have the right to follow or not follow God. I do not see how voluntary crisis couseling becomes coercion unless mandated by the state. Sort of like requiring private health insurance. I will reap what I sow.[/quote]

Most people would agree that there is a fundamental difference between government "coercion" and forced religion. Government "coercion" dictates that we drive on the right side of the road...rules and laws ("coercion") are necessary as the foundations of an orderly society.

If you went to McDonalds and were forced to endure a 15 minute one-on-one religious counseling session, trying to get you to convert your beliefs to, say, Scientology, you might feel a tad deceived and you could walk out.

Suppose however, you were absolutely broke and had no money, would you agree to this "counseling session"? What if they made receiving a happy meal contingent upon rejecting Jesus and accepting L. Ron Hubbard as your personal savior? Gee, you sure are hungry.... That, brother Wedge, is the essence of predatory religion.

The same thing applies to these Christian Predator Centers. They prey upon the young and the desparate.

[quote=The Wedge]Now I am a person of nuance, for example... I do not have any pause when it comes to medication that keeps and egg from implanting against a wall. I do not care if someone drinks or gambles as it is legal and nobody is forcing one to do that conduct.[/quote]

It is good to know that you are not dogmatic. I'll try and keep that in mind.

[quote=The Wedge]Now I find you especially interesting... you think that God gives people cancer if they run companies that hold layoffs or scale back benefits. God feels mocked by a very common place thing-give caesar what is caesar. God is mocked when somebody performs the Great Commission and takes it as a duty from God.[/quote]

Grubby Herman Cain, once again. My statement really bothered you, I see. We've been over this ground before. Bottom Line: If you believe that Herman Cain's colon cancer showing up shortly after he caused untold suffering on thousands of lower income workers by removing their health insurance was a "coincidence", more power to you. I, however, do not believe in "coincidence".

[quote=The Wedge]But God is perfectly okay with taking a vacuum spike, puncturing a 34 week term inutero baby and sucking out its brains and collapsing the skull. It your world God is honored in this human transaction.[/quote]

You know, this is the second time this week that you've attempted to ascribe positions to me, positions that I do not hold. I wish you would stop doing that.

For the record, my position on abortion is the following: Abortion on demand, without delay, without restriction, for any time up to 21 weeks. I oppose abortion after 22 weeks gestation. A fetus is not viable outside the womb prior to 22 weeks. Am I clear enough for you? I'm a nuanced guy like you, you see.

[quote=The Wedge]Now understand--I am comfortable with everything about me. Also I have zero ties to Sharpsburg. Now, I have met you and found you unlikeable in person. Your poor opinion of me gives me no pause or loss of sleep as I am sure that mine affects you not.[/quote]

I am glad you don't lose sleep over opinions I might voice (with the obvious exception of grubby Herman Cain, of course).

I apologize for the poorly worded Archbishop of Sharpsburg reference...I was in a hurry. What I meant to say was that I will not stand for anyone, particularly the likes of David Epps, to dictate my morality by force of law.

[quote=The Wedge]Now understand this one--you will wind up getting banned and changing your moniker again sooner or later and I will not. You will do as you have done[/quote]

You may be right, I might just get banned. This is a conservative site. Cal does an admirable job of tolerating librul opinion. Like you, I am very passionate about my beliefs, unlike you, I don't always hold back. Inflammatory conservative rhetoric seems to be better tolerated here than Librul rhetoric. And so it goes.

p.s. did you take my advice and go Cheney yourself yet? ;)

"judgement" is the Lord's, isn't it?

I doubt the Lord prefers coathangers instead of our best science!
There must be an enormous group of atheists if abortion is damnation.

I think most of these people are probably agnostics. They simply don't know.

Observerofu's picture

<strong>Christian Predator Centers</strong>
[quote=Chris P. Bacon]Like hungry vultures circling young prey, the Christian Predator Center preys on scared, vulnerable young women, seeking to coerce them into their Fundie brand of Christianity.

With the possible exception of Taliban Trey Hoffman and the Spanish Inquisition, they represent the absolute worst elements of Christianity.[/quote]

You see by attacking the people at the center and then trying to disqualify their view by equating them to the Taliban or Spanish Inquisition then you have fallen into the
logical fallacy argument.

Thanks. But I guess you didn't really say this did you?
I mean you said you didn't do that right?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=character-attack

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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Also, Pro-Jew, Pro-Islam, Pro-Buddha, Pro-Hindu, and 10,000 other brands, I assume?

Observerofu's picture

Let's just control the inferior minorities. The weak and infirmed need not breed but if you do Planned Parenthood will be there for you.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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[quote]Let's just control the inferior minorities[/quote]

What do you suggest we do with the inferior 'majorities'? I hope you were being sarcastic.

Observerofu's picture

You don't know where Planned Parenthood comes from?
Do a little work and discover just who Margaret Sanger was.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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[quote=Observerofu]DERP DERP DERP Planned Parenthood DERP DERP DERP?
DERP DERP DERP Margaret Sanger DERP DERP DERP[/quote]

....and Henry Ford spent most of the latter part of his life promotin' <em>The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion</em>.

Using your patented illogic, that means anyone who drives or has ridden in a Ford supports anti-Semitism.

Observerofu's picture

doesn't surprise me. Ford didn't build a car for the sole purpose of controlling an inferior race.
Sanger your idol did however set up planned parenthood for just that purpose.

But keep swinging there bacon. Even a blind squirrel can get a nut every now and then.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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I know you didn't get enough oxygen when you were born, but try and follow:

You were making your usual pathetic attempt to conflate the Planned Parenthood organization with the eccentric beliefs of its founder.

I replied it made as much sense as trying to conflate the Ford Motor company with the eccentric beliefs of its founder.

Naturally, you took offense to the obvious comparison.

<strong>"Oh NOE!"</strong> you squealed in your girlish voice. <strong>"That's.....that's....DIFFERENT!"</strong>

Everyone here laughs at your double standard. How different your life would be if you applied the same standard to yourself that you insist others abide by.

Observerofu's picture

Ford made cars to kill people.

Now do you feel better?

btw- keep applying your low self esteem issues to "everyone" else. I love how you seem able to speak for everyone while taking fire from every corner.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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So now you're inferring that Planned Parenthood kills people?

People are laughing at you, boy.

Observerofu's picture

"People are laughing at you, boy."

Not that I am one of those black men that see racist around every corner BUT
from you I suspect this is more true then not.

Going to call me a Nigg*r next? Going to say my daughter is a crack whore again because you know only black women use crack and of course are whores as well?

And you call me a bigot.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

PTC Observer's picture

Do you believe that it is appropriate for PPH to get government funding?

Or do you believe that if PPH has a case for giving women a choice they should simply do this on their own with funding provided directly by people of your thinking?

If you believe that PPH should get government funding, do you also believe that organizations that support non-abortion alternatives should get government funding?

Do you think this funding should be equal?

These are simply yes or no answers.

Just wondering if your position is consistent with your philosophy of using government largess for social engineering.

My apologies for not seeing this post last night, it was lost amid the "drown 'em out" vitriol of your whiny bigoted race-baiting bumchum Osamaforu.

To answer all your questions, in order: Yes, No, No, and No.

Here is my reasoning, on the slight chance you might be interested:

Americans want the government to provide a medical safety net for the poor. Planned Parenthood provides birth control to lower-income women. Birth control for women is largely done on a prescription basis, making it altogether fitting that it receives government funding as a bonafide medical provider.

Government funding helps to prevent year-to-year budgetary fluctuations caused by the uncertainty of charitable giving.

The government does not subsidize religious indoctrination. It will not, for example, pay for a woman to visit a witch doctor or faith healer. As such, it would be wholly inappropriate for the government to reimburse women for visits to centers that are primarily concerned with religious indoctrination.

I salute you on your wonderfully worded "gotcha" questions, and hopefully have answered them to your satisfaction.

PTC Observer's picture

Yes you did thanks.

I think you meant to say that "Some Americans want...." It is not clear that a majority of Americans want the government involved in birth control by any means.

Birth control, by pill, injections, or implants are non-abortion methods. We disagree that government should be involved. PPH should be privately funded, IMO.

Charity is crowded out by government.

Finally, these were not "gotcha" questions. I told you specifically I wanted to find out if you were consistent. Sadly, let's just say that you are.

Petey, let me ask you a question: does your health insurance policy cover birth control for women? Most insurance policies do cover that.

If so, why shouldn't poor Americans be provided the same level of coverage via Medicare/Medicaid? Should we pick and choose what coverages that poor people do without that we ourselves enjoy?

My policy doesn't cover elective plastic surgery or liposuction or hair grafts....neither should Medicare/Medicaid.

My policy covers kidney dialysis....should we deny poor people kidney dialysis to teach them a lesson for treating their kidneys poorly?

That's a somewhat specious example but the point I'm making is that either you offer the same level of coverage to the poor as most people enjoy or you don't...this business of politicizing medicine is wrong.

PTC Observer's picture

"politicizing medicine is wrong."

I think we may be getting somewhere here. The fact that government is IN healthcare makes it political.

I agree with most of what you say, I disagree about the method. The government is not the entity that should be doing any of this.

This is fundamental difference between us.

[QUOTE]Sanger your idol did however set up planned parenthood for just that purpose.[/QUOTE]

In my day, the Planned Parenthood Clinic was in the 'Wilshire' area of Los Angeles - and the clientel was overwhelmingly white/upper middle class. Today, that 'group' can go to their private physicians for pre-marital counseling regarding their reproductive organs - or any daytime TV show. (Pre-marital - I guess that is a foreign term now when it comes to 'sex'.

Observerofu's picture

the black race.

Now I really want to go there. Please read and respond to the post above. This has perked my interest how a black women would defend a self avowed white supremacist who's sole mission for creating Planned Parenthood was to control the black (mud) races.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

[quote]DM let's explore your defense of Eugenics and the killing of
the black race.[/quote]

I presented an article that dealt with Sanger's 'racism'. I did not 'defend' Eugenics. Good night dear soul. (And share this with whoever is telling you how to deal with a black woman who is a Democrat - you need help.)

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you either believe it or you don't. If you believe it then defend it. If you don't then why did you post it?

Fact is deep down you, know you can't. You know just who and what she was. You may not have when you jumped knee deep in this but it only takes about 5 minutes of reading to discover who this person was, a despicable human being.

Unfortunately the progressive movement forces all disciples to give up their principles for the "greater good".

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

This individual who claims they represent 'conservative values' when it comes to 'race' may be a bigoted fraud. Please do your own research if you have a question about the intended purpose of Planned Parenthood - and who partook of their services in the 50's and 60's. Dick Gregory warned the 'black' community not to use 'birth control', for we needed the numbers in order to exert power at the ballot box. However, Dick Gregory was a good father who supported his children and assisted his wife in the raising of his family. Not all American women were so fortunate - black or white - and needed education so that they could make a choice about motherhood. Church's and parents should have been the leaders in this responsibility. Abstinence has been taught as a CHOICE. Birth control methods have been taught as a CHOICE. Abortion has been offered as a CHOICE - and there are those who rightly feel that taxpayer money should not pay for that CHOICE. That is law as it stands today. There are those who feel they have the right to KILL those who work in abortion clinics. That is against the law. Many early leaders are being called 'racist'. Many were - and many current leaders are 'racist'. The United States - even with all of it's lofty goals, is viewed as racist because of the practice of segregation that only ended legally in the 20th Century. Segregation is apartheid, American style. To try to change FACTS by changing the historical record is a plot of SOME right-wingers. All 'social' programs in our early history were addressed by racial identity. . . .and Margaret Sanger along with the 'Negro' leaders of that day was no different. However, she is credited and respected by some in the Black community and by some in today's Black population for given minority women the same CHOICE that the 'majority' population enjoyed. Underground abortion clinics operate today - and the result of 'botched' abortions is a crime. Education and religious/parental guidance is needed for conquering the 'root' causes of this problem. Even young women from 'good' homes find themselves in a predicament where they need to make a choice in 'sync' with their religious beliefs and home training. GOVERNMENT should not be involved in this choice - IMO.

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I simply expose the dirty little underside of planned parenthood, who their founder is, a Eugenics loving racist and according to you I am bigoted fraud???

Just how do you come to that conclusion. I mean I know going on the offense when you can't defend your arguments is a tried and true bacon tactic, but just how did you get there?

It seems like you and Bacon are the one's trying to scare pregnant women into no choice at all. I mean with Bacons unverified ad hominem attacks on Christian Pregnancy centers and now your blind stabbing out at anyone that exposes the <strong>actual HISTORY</strong> of Planned Parenthood and just where it's roots really are.

I mean DM this whole thing started when you jumped into the conversation with this:
[quote=Davids mom]Another 'opinion' on Margaret Sanger's racism. You must expose yourself to other opinions - and realize that others have a different opinion than your so-called FACTS.

http://feministsforchoice.com/was-margaret-sanger-a-racist.htm[/quote]

I simply asked you to defend <strong>YOUR</strong> position and you could not do it and this gets me branded by you as being a bigoted fraud? I mean that's absolutely incredible.

I am not sure which one of you is worse Bacon calling me a "BOY" or you turning on your own race just to promote an ideology.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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Telling women not to go to Christian Predator centers gives them "no choice at all"?

People are laughing at you, bigot.

p.s. Look up the definition of "ad hominem" next time before trying to use it. Having a negative opinion of a thing or a concept is not "ad hominem", bigot, no matter what they taught you in homeskool.

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"Ad hominem -
An ad hominem, also known as argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise. "

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

I attacked the concept of Christian Predator centers, not the individual who brought them up. You can't hang an "ad hominem" fallacy on a concept or thing, only a person.

Please tell us you're not this ignorant in real life.

Observerofu's picture

Used as an adjective:

ad hominem
–adjective
1.
appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2.
attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

Go argue with a dictionary because you are showing your ignorance. Too much time in Socialist I mean Sociology class huh?

You attacked Christian Pregnancy Centers and those that support them as extremist and you claimed these groups were predators and made multiple claims of wrong doing. When challenged you then claimed it was your opinion. There is no better example of an ad hominem attack.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=character-attack

This was and is your argument RACIST.

This is not the first time you have been brought to task for the very same reasons. Hutch exposed your false attacks here:

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/10-05-2010/volunteers-raise-roof-and-...

BaconSniffles:
[quote=hutch866]So I guess what you're saying here is that you ACTUALLY know nothing about this place, but you can still offer an opinion about it. Pretty broad brush stroke there, of course that's just an opinion I've formed from reading about people like you. The fact that you believe you know my opinion about Westboro Baptist Church or would give them the benefit of the doubt, even though I've never EVER mentioned them in any of my posts or opinions tells me that your informed defensible position is in doubt. In fact, it seems that any facts you can't find you can make up. I will admit that was a pretty good deflection of the subject you made there.[/quote]

and AHG as well:

[quote=AtHomeGym]I distinctively remember when you were verbally discussing the economy with Steve Lindsey (No, I don't call it a "debate"), you were insistant about using facts versus opinions, yet on this issue and this facility, you have no facts that I can discern. So what is driving your interest in this thing at all? Are you just looking for some citizen blog conflict or what?[/quote]

and Cyclist:

[quote=Cyclist]from your vantage point do you consider all groups that oppose abortion extremist or just this one?[/quote]

You hate it when the seamier side of your sacred cow is exposed.

So my dear RACIST Bacon go burn your cross some where else.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

I know I've gotten the better of an argument with you when you go into cut-n-paste-apalooza.

You cut and paste the dictionary.com definition of "ad hominem". The dictionary definition is wrong...now before you piss your pants in self-righteousness, let me explain.

I realize you've most likely never finished high school, let alone gone to college, but there is a branch of philosophy known as Logic.

In logic, we have formally structured proofs. There are about 3 dozen "automatic disqualifiers" to these proofs, these are known as logical fallacies.

The most common logical fallacy is "ad hominem". In Latin (by "Latin" I refer to the ancient language, not the Hispanic people you so despise) this translates to "to the man", i.e. an argument against the character of the man, not addressing the argument itself. PERIOD.

Dictionary.com lists "appeals to predjudices, emotions or special interest" as a component of "ad hominem". They are incorrect. From a logic standpoint, this is absolutely incorrect. Appeals to prejudices and emotions are a separate and distinct logical fallacy known as, not surprisingly, "Appeal to Emotion".

Appeals to special interests are known in logical proofs as "Special pleading".

Now then, the fact remains that you are still absolutely 100% wrong referring to my argument as "ad hominem". You seem to be unable or unwilling to understand that just because someone disagrees with you, that does not make your opponent's argument "ad hominem", even by the defective definition given by dictionary.com

I challenge you to show us where I "appealed to prejudices, emotions or special interests" or where I made a personal attack on a person making the argument. Show me a DIRECT QUOTE for a change instead of telling us what you think I said.

I offered my opinion that these so-called "pregnancy resource centers", which I choose to refer to as "Christian predator centers", prey on scared unsuspecting teenagers. If you've got a problem with me calling them "Christian predator centers", well my friend I've got a problem with them calling themselves "pregnancy resource centers" when by their own admission they do more "Christian counseling" than things like pregnancy testing. Perhaps we could compromise and refer to them as "Compulsory Fundamentalist Christian Indoctrination Centers".

Over to you, big boy. Let's see you respond to my challenge.

PTC Observer's picture

"Bigot Observerofu", "Racist Observerofu"?

How can you appeal to a special interest when you are one?

I don't know your motive, but you are a special interest for government control.

Observerofu's picture

[quote=Observerofu]<strong>Christian Predator Centers</strong>
[quote=Chris P. Bacon]Like hungry vultures circling young prey, the Christian Predator Center preys on scared, vulnerable young women, seeking to coerce them into their Fundie brand of Christianity.

With the possible exception of Taliban Trey Hoffman and the Spanish Inquisition, they represent the absolute worst elements of Christianity.[/quote]

You see by attacking the people at the center and then trying to disqualify their view by equating them to the Taliban or Spanish Inquisition then you have fallen into the
logical fallacy argument.

Thanks. But I guess you didn't really say this did you?
I mean you said you didn't do that right?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=character-attack

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Once again, I was presenting my OPINION. Disagreeing with something you happen to like is NOT ad hominem, chuckles.

If I were to say "Hitler was evil", would that be "ad hominem" in your mind?

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You can say Hitler was evil without it being an ad hominem attack. However if I were to say Hitler was evil and you attacked me about how I used a NYT
headline without arguing the issue then this is considered an ad hominem. See how it works.

An ad hominem is an argument based on the real or perceived faults of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case; a logical fallacy that involves a personal attack.

When you levy a personal attack against "Christians" (you called them predators amongst other things) based on no real evidence and then refuse to argue the merits of the center. You fulfilled the logical fallacy requirement of the description. Your OPINION was an attack note the perceived portion of the description.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Let us continue your remedial education regarding "ad hominem" <a href="http://www.thecitizen.com/node/5934">HERE</a>

[quote]Ford didn't build a car for the sole purpose of controlling an inferior race.
Sanger your idol did however set up planned parenthood for just that purpose.[/quote]

Sanger's involvement with the Eugenic philosophy has been documented and not denied. . .but your continued attempt to say that she founded PPH to control an 'inferior race' - is incorrect. Sanger wanted to control the size of ALL PERSONS SHE CONSIDERED INFERIOR - regardless of race. Her acceptance by the minority community during her lifetime was based on her understanding that often 'large' families remain uneducated and unproductive. Statically that can be found to be true - but there are always exceptions. Margaret Sanger was highly respected by the black leaders of the 20th century. PPH will probably be funded - at least their educational program - by the Federal government because many of the clientele will be 'poor' - and eligible for educational assistance programs, etc. The Republican House vote is not the end all to this controversy. There is the Senate - and the possibility of the president's veto.

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on how eugenics will solve the "racial" issue in her book. She went on to explain that the black community needed to be controlled. Abortion was her TOOL to do so.

I am not going to rehash the argument any further it has been laid out clearly here.

Your continued attempt to apologize for her speaks volumes what a progressive/liberal black women would do for her ideology.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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[quote]In my day, the Planned Parenthood Clinic was in the 'Wilshire' area of Los Angeles - and the clientele was overwhelmingly white/upper middle class.[/quote]

Many of your statements were based on your interpretation of misleading 'facts'. I speak from experience. The early PPH centers were used by 'old fashioned families' who took their engaged daughters to these 'centers' to receive information for controlling their future families. (FITTED FOR CONTRACEPTIVE/DIAPHRAM) You can 'yell' all you want about Margaret Sanger wanting to 'kill' Black people. Some Black people may agree with you - but lo and behold - conservatives still criticize minority families for having children that they cannot take care of -and must turn to government for assistance. When will the hypocrisy end with you OOU? Progressive/liberal Black women continue to 'walk the walk'. We want the best for our community - and education and choice is what is 'best' for now.

[quote]on how eugenics will solve the "racial" issue in her book. She went on to explain that the black community needed to be controlled. Abortion was her TOOL to do so.[/quote]

Margaret Sanger, by her own words, was an elitist. She wanted to control all humans that she considered 'inferior' - and that included those with low IQ's, disease, etc., etc., etc. SHE DID NOT CONSIDER ALL MEMBERS OF THE BLACK RACE inferior. Some 'whites' made her list.

Another 'opinion' on Margaret Sanger's racism. You must expose yourself to other opinions - and realize that others have a different opinion than your so-called FACTS.

http://feministsforchoice.com/was-margaret-sanger-a-racist.htm

I enjoyed reading that article. It put quite a bit of context around the eugenics movement of last century.

It won't stop the fringe right wingnuts here from trotting Margaret Sanger out as a bogeyman from time to time, but it's a good rebuttal.

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that like saying bulimics like food.

Come on you are really gong to use a pro-abortion, pro-women issue site to justify Sanger's belief that black people were inferior and abortion could be used to control our population.

You are black right. How low will you go for the progressive movement?
This is absolutely amazing. I guess next to will be defending Ezekiel Emanuel and his views of Eugenics.

Here DM you need a little black put back into you. Stop selling yourself.

How Planned Parenthood Duped America

http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

"At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

btw-I can understand bacon's latent racism he has shown us the inside of his closet before. But you an self proclaimed freedom fighter and righter of all wrongs to blacks are actually defending these people.

No wonder we have sold several generations of our youths in virtual slavery. You helped teach them.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
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. .AND President of Planned Parenthood.

Read for yourself. Yes I'm Black - but not blinded by right-wing so-called Christians. As I have stated before, I believe that as great as my country is - it has racist practices. But I have seen great improvement in this area. Haven’t you? You vote today because of the Feminists in our history. (If you are female.) I'm grateful that I never had to make a choice regarding abortion. I support CHOICE - not government interfering with my body by law or some religious beliefs. The church and parents should be doing a better job regarding moral education. I'm surprised at the right-wing hypocrisy regarding this issue.

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/birthcontrol/p/faye_wattleton.htm

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not the issue itself. Now caught out you go all womens rights issue.

That's not he point and YOU know it.

I want to hear again how you can defend The FOUNDER of Planned Parenthood's beliefs and reason why it was formed in the first place.

Her views that we are inferior races and should not be allowed to breed in quantities that would dilute the WHITE race and her solution was to create an issue, make it a "Womans Rights" issue, BUT place these clinics in BLACK neighborhoods and preach to us about it our Freedom at stake.

I want to hear you defend her views AGAIN.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

[quote]BUT place these clinics in BLACK neighborhoods and preach to us about it our Freedom at stake.[/quote]
THIS IS NOT TRUE! The clinic I attended was in a WHITE neighborhood in 1960. I won't call you a 'liar' - but grossly misinformed.

Your opinion is based on the 'facts' as have been presented to you. Others, Including Faye Wattleton have a different point of view - and 'the rights of women' over her body and her reproductive organs has always been important to Black women - from the days of slavery to the present. It is a right that we had to 'fight' for often. THAT IS THE ISSUE! I know that there are those who want to exclude these 'facts' from our history texts - but as those of the Jewish culture will not let us 'forget' the murder of Jews by Hitler - African Americans will not allow history to forget our dark days.

<cite> Let's take the time to 'edit' before we post. Some of your sentences were difficult to understand, but I get the point you're trying to make</cite>

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if you still think that Sanger and Planned Parenthood helped the black community then I will give up, but until you do you truly don't know what you are talking about.

btw- All you have to do is read it. DM you will discover that these clinics STARTED out in minority neighborhoods. DM you are stretching credulity by continually trying to obfuscate the issue.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

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