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Rep. Westmoreland: Healthcare vote fundamentally alters nation

The Democrat victory on healthcare Sunday night “will fundamentally alter the nature of our nation by implementing a government takeover of healthcare that Americans don’t want and can’t afford,” said U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Grantville).

The Democratic healthcare plan passed 219-212.

“This vote creates an expensive new entitlement that implements a government takeover of one-sixth of the American economy,” the Third District congressman said. “This law will raise taxes on all Americans, it will kill jobs in a lagging economy, it will put mandates on Americans and on businesses, it will put government in between doctors and their patients, it will raise the premiums of people who currently have insurance.

“The Democratic healthcare bill will add $2.6 trillion in new spending. There’s no free lunch,” Westmoreland said. “We’ll either tax ourselves to the point we’re not competitive internationally or we’ll simply add on more and more debt. Regardless, the bottom line is we cannot afford this new entitlement.

“We have bills that as a nation we can’t pay as it is. Now we’re adding on more stress to an overburdened system. Our debt obligations threaten to put our economy in critical care, and we’re crippling the ability of innovative Americans to create new jobs,” the former Fayette County resident said.

“There’s no doubt that there are many Americans facing tragic situations because they lack health insurance. Many more are underinsured and millions live in fear of losing their coverage. By opposing this legislation, we are not belittling or ignoring the real crisis in our nation’s health care system. Republicans have put forth responsible reforms that have fallen on deaf ears with this Democratic Congress and administration. No matter how great our desire to cover each and every American who lacks coverage, we do not serve the greater good if our actions bankrupt our nation,” Westmoreland said.

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The Wedge's picture

that the protaganist in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged is named "John Galt"? As in "Who is John Galt?"

I think I have you pegged, you come up as a true human being! I just hope no one else has to endure the loss of a loved one feeling that they couldn't afford to do anything about it.

There is a movement out there - and it's not just Tea Parties! Westmoreland is pretty safe for re-election - but many are not!

<cite>ISSUE STATEMENT NO. 4286: HEALTHCARE REFORM -SMALL BUSINESS & ACCOUNTABILITY….
Before we go back to “Rebuilding” and “Re-affirming”, we need to have some “Accountability” stuff done. We speak specifically of those elected officials who didn’t seem to care that much about what WE needed in the way of Healthcare Reform. They seemed to care more what their “other” constituents wanted. WE say that, because they kept saying what “my local constituents” want, or don’t want. Since WE were telling them something different than they were purporting, they had to have been talking about their “other” constituents.
We don’t know how your local representative voted. But, ours did not do the right thing-not by small business. We supported Congressman John Barrow in his last election. But, we will NOT support him in the next one. Congressman Barrow is gonna have to rely on his “other” constituents, if he’s gonna be reelected. Not only did he not “vote” right, but, he misrepresented to us the effects on small business. He talked about the “tremendous cost” to small business. We, now believe he misled us, so he could vote somebody else’s agenda. Somebody “other” than us.
We tried to tell him some specifics about the businesses we represented. But, the Congressman wasn’t listening to us. He was, evidently, listening to his “other” constituents. We now have statistics, that Barrow had available to him. We tried to tell him, but his mind was made up, already. We tried to tell him that the overwhelming majority of our small businesses did not have, nor would ever have, over 50 employees. Thus they would NOT be required to “bear this cost” that Barrow kept talking about.
Steve Strauss, AOL contributor, “cites statistics that particularly point to the new plan being smart for small businesses and entrepreneurs: 49% of businesses with 3-9 employees -- which describes a majority of small businesses -- offered any kind of health insurance to their employees in 2008, which is almost 10% less than 10 years ago; 29% of employees at businesses with less than 25 employees were uninsured in 2007. Strauss thus sees that recent developments in affordable health insurance are a huge factor for a previously under-represented segment of the population.”
Did the Congressman not know this? Did the Congressman not know that, rather than “costing” our small business, Healthcare Reform would benefit them? Read again what Mr. Strauss said:
“Still, Strauss does agree with many naysayers that health care changes will likely not have much effect on small business overall. Those with fewer than 50 employees will not be forced to get coverage, even though they may anyway, simply because it provides a more affordable option than is currently available and is wrapped up in many incentives.”
Mr. Congressman Barrow, we no longer need your services. We must by terms of the Constitution, tolerate your being in office until the end of this term. But, if we were you, we wouldn’t be counting on being in The Nation’s Capitol next term. That is unless you have enough of your “other” constituents that are gonna keep you in.
This Healthcare Reform was “History” making. We counted on you being on the “Yea” side of that History. You violated the trust we’d put in you. We do not know the reasons you chose to do this. All we know is for us, this was a deal-breaker… </cite>

Note: No racial slurs or threats of bricks, harm to families. <strong>NOW THIS IS THE AMERICAN WAY TO DISAGREE</strong>

Henry T. Wilfong Jr., MBA, CPA
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Member, California Council on Criminal Justice
Member, NASA Advisory Council
Chair, NASA Minority Business Resource Advisory Committee
Co-Chair, Unity Network and Black Republicans for Obama

So basically what you are saying is screw me, screw my employees and screw the other 32 million people who can't get health insurance...right? They are all a bunch of bums anyway, probably illegal immigrants, not hard working people.

Let me guess - you must be covered under a large corporate health plan...or already on medicare (retired)...lucky you.

Your arguments do not necessarily hold water.
The extra costs to large corporations you are referring to are an accounting accural procedure. That's assuming they take the total accrual which would actually be bad for Fed and State governments because it can be used to reduced corporate taxes paid.
I suggested a consumption tax on sugar related products like junk food and soda but the industry lobbyists started campaigns to stop that idea.
I agree that the health care costs are too high and taxes needed to be collected as quickly as the benefits begin, but I also believe that both Obama and Bush have made other tremendous mistakes over the past 8 years that have contributed to the growing deficit.
There should have been no middle class tax cuts done by Bush and Obama...an extra $300 a year per person does nothing to help Americans but it gains votes in election years....the government needed the money to help balance the budget not win elections....same on Dems and Repubs
Iraq - what the hell are we doing in Irag....We took our eye off the ball to overthrow a dictator who threatened Bush 1 (Bin Laden is still free)...we should have stayed focus on the real enemy...we wasted trillions of dollars in Iraq and meanwhile we are now just getting at the real war in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

In the new health care new law I see no mention of a single payer system. All I see are the establishment of co-ops for people who can not get insurance to find insurance as a larger block. I also see more people buying insurance which increase the number of customers providing more revenues to insurance companies allowing them to offset that with possible lower rates. The basic tenets of this law are items that were also proposed by Bush in the past for health care reform...many republican ideas.

Look at where the Federal government is spending most of our tax money and you will see that a large portion is towards health care under medicare, medicaid. So that being said I suspect that you would agree that the Federal government should immediately stop Medicare, Medicaid and what about the other entitlement programs such as Social Security?
Right??? The Federal government should only provide for defense and selected other issues.

I bet you disagree with me on Medicare and social security because you have paid into it and you want your entitlements..you want what's yours and do not do anything that will increase your taxes in any way that could help others....

One final question..the 32 million without health care...who pays for them when they go to the hospital and the hospital helps them? Don't you think you are paying for that in higher premiums or are you going to blame that on Obama and the Dems? Before you do, ask your employer how much their company health care costs have increased over the past 5 years before Obama..you will be surprised.

Well...I wish you luck...I hope you don't lose your job or your health care plan...COBRA is expensive and frankly I do not want to see my unemployment taxes go up in my business because you and millions of others who lost their jobs...Why should I eventually pay more...right!

It's time for all of us to wake up and care for each other....its also time to elect new senators and congressmen who care about America, will work together, balance the budget and build a strong America for us.....

<strong>It's time for all of us to wake up and care for each other....its also time to elect new senators and congressmen who care about America, will work together, balance the budget and build a strong America for us.</strong>

Like you, I'd like to see some new folks up there, working together to solve our Nation's problems. Big hangup though, is where in the world would those new folks come from? The whole situation is so tainted and onerous that one would almost have to be a fool to step up and volunteer. For my part, the first step needs to be actions to make lobbyist activities ineffective. Don't need them. What say you?

I agree! Vote!

I agree! Vote!

S. Lindsey's picture

To have the Government force others by way of taxes or any other means and give that revenue to others that THEY deem fit to receive it is the very definition of SOCIALISM..

Socialism..

1.Political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

2.Redistribution of wealth, typically through progressive taxation.

See the similarities DM?

btw.. I don't have to live in a Socialist Country to recognize the potential of a Government creeping towards Socialism.. All you have to do is be aware and awake.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

<cite>See the similarities DM?</cite>

Spend a week in Cuba. Now that's socialism. Control here is still in the hands of corporations, politicians/lobbyists, etc. We still own our own homes, etc. - and pay taxes for 'services'. If 'gov' spending has gotten out of hand, it is because we allowed special interests to influence our government - rather than US!! This 'socialist' talk is a smoke screen to hide our mistakes of the past. We're awake. We're astute enough to see through the smoke screen of trying to halt our progress out of this mess. .. but you and Joe Kawfi keep up the good work. People are beginning to do their own research and analyze for themselves what is true and what is false. Radical right and radical left are the losers.

S. Lindsey's picture

Maybe you never will at least that's my wish.

When have you ever seen OUR Government Nationalize our Banks and Major Manufacturing..?

Maxine Waters said it herself.. Was she Lying DM? No not a smoke screen.. Obama is a radical. He has grown up around these Socialist.. He thinks like them he acts like them and now Governing like them.

He surrounds himself with them.. Like my preacher scenario and like Swaggart Obama is a "Sinner"..

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

Maybe we shouldn't post after 10:00 p.m. We both agree that the US is not socialist. . . .and as our citizens become more involved . .. it won't be. Open discussion promotes understanding and RESEARCH. America is awake - after 8 years of a long, long sleep.

S. Lindsey's picture

that 32 million want healthcare and CAN'T get it...

About half that number are people for whatever reason have the ability to purchase a policy but have decided NOT TO..

The Government has decided to FORCE them to do so.. Wrong move.

Second you expect the Government to be able to control a multi-TRILLION dollar ENTITLEMENT program without further fraud, abuse and abridgment of basic freedoms.

Third.. You want taxes.. Somebody has to pay for it right? The Government is fraught with fraud, abuse, corruption and just plain incompetence. Why is the first option of most "Moderates and Liberals" is to TAX.. Why not cut the fraud and abuse and STOP SPENDING!!!

Finally.. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security ARE ALL GOING BROKE..

Social Security is now giving out more than it takes in.. 6 YEARS EARLIER THAN PROJECTED… That means it will now and forever will be a deficit spending program..

The CBO just came out with a projection that in 10 years to service the interest on our debt is going to take 90% of GDP..

<cite>“(Washington Times)- President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation's economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday.”</cite>

GAltant.. the Country is almost broke. We cannot afford to rack up any more debt. Under this program every drug addict, Alcoholic, morbidly obese or anyone who commits any risky behavior gets insurance and coverage.. NO MATTER THEIR OWN ACTIONS..

GAltant I am neither retired nor do I have a “Corporate plan”. I PAY for my policies 100% I choose what I need. I also NEVER EXPECT to get ANYTHING from the Government. Social Security will not be available for me..

I have planned my life around that one fact. I too have had my own “tough” times.. the one thing I never did was ask the Government for anything nor did I expect others to come to my rescue.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

John Gault's picture

Oh how we never learn from the mistakes of the past....... We have seen what happend with the alleged....Consumer Protection Act...(CREDIT CARD REFORM.) Where as all increased interest rates/fees/ and closed accounts. 300% increase on average on interest alone... Example CHASE Americas new pimp..

Now comes the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.... Health care reform.... Gee Yogi I went to work this week and only recieved this Voucher. That says I can stay in my House (DOMICILE) another week, and stop by Wal-mart on the way home and ascertain some groceries for the coming week. Obtain one tank of gas to get back and forth from work... And the rest of my Voucher went for Health Insurance..

Sound Familiar anyone.... Its called Socialisim.... And should this bill become law, whats next???? Welcome to Serfdom...... PEACE enjoy it while it last....

"Pursue one great decisive aim with force and determination." Karl von Clausewitz.

John Gault's picture

At last an educated soul. Now the $10 question... What was the protagonist preaching, in the work. Who is John Galt??? And is it not ironic how art imitates life....

"Pursue one great decisive aim with force and determination." Karl von Clausewitz.

The Wedge's picture

Was an engineer at 20th Century Motors (iirc) who discovered a way to harness static electricity in the atmosphere to a motorized kinetic form. Disgusted with the "moochers" who took from the talented and hardworking and dismayed by a government filled with moochers who carried the rule of law and the law of guilt that allowed for the confiscation of the wealth and talent of the hard working, he organized a "strike of the producers". They began disappearing one by one and "who is John Galt?" became an expression from people who had no ideas and no clue what to say about the state of things. Eventually the world fell apart because "Atlas Shrugged". And yes, it does parallel quite nicely to the times of now.
I am not a complete objectionist and I am not a complete laissez faire person, I did enjoy the book. Fix your name so that all may ask "Who is John Galt?" and not "who is John Gault???"

thanks for the fun. Have a great night

John Gault's picture

Too much paperwork to fill out to change my name though. Good to know that theres still some thinkers and readers out there. Spot on...

"Pursue one great decisive aim with force and determination." Karl von Clausewitz.

I guess you are ok with the large health insurance increases over the past years.

I hope you remain healthy too because when you get sick, you will be dropped by your carrier and then you will not be able to find another carrier because you have a pre-existng condition.....

That is what happened to the employees at my company

Not sure why I am telling you....you are a person who controls his/her own destiny and believe that people need to take responsibility for themseleves...right....screw the world and everyone in it...watch out because here I come!!!

Its called the Church of The Blessed ME! ME! ME! ME!

S. Lindsey's picture

I do Charity work all the time as well as make sure a percentage of my income goes to Charity... So I do my part for my fellow man.

I just don't expect others to do for me. I guess I was raised a little different then most. My parents were dirt poor.. there were times when my Mother could not put meat on the table.. She would use Milk Gravy and toast and that would be our meal.. SO I know tough times..

In my own life I have failed more than I succeeded.. But each failure/hardship taught me a lesson.. One.. not to do the same thing and expect a different result.

That is what we are doing with Healthcare.. NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO FAIL.. We see the same thing with the Bank bailouts and GM and Chrysler. We must be allowed to fail. It's the best way to learn from it.. To grow.. IF I had asked the Government to assist me where would I be..? I don't know but I do know one thing we all have issues.

Rather we allow them to dictate to us their terms or rather we stand up to them is OUR CHOICE.

GAltant I truly feel for you and/or your employees.. But it is not my responsibility to pay for you or anyone else but me and my family.

I know that's not what you want to hear.. but there it is.

We cannot afford this. Now don't get me wrong I would like to see reform as well.. But there are better ways to do this.. and this is not it.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

<cite>We cannot afford this. Now don't get me wrong I would like to see reform as well.. But there are better ways to do this.. and this is not it.</cite>

<strong>WHAT IS IT?</strong> What ideas do the nay sayers have that are NOT IN THIS BILL? Only 'must do' items are being implemented immediately. We're looking for statesman who can look at the bill and work together to improve it. Where is the budget analysis for the 'improvements'? <strong>SHOW US THE BETTER WAY!</strong> It's your/their responsibility to present the 'better way' document with budget figures. Hurry – inquiring minds want to know.

S. Lindsey's picture

I have done so over and over and over...

You are just be obtuse and deliberately misleading.

Go back to your soap operas reality bites..

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

I'm so sorry. Will someone post for me Lindsey's budget plan for Health Reform? Thanks. Sorry I missed it!

I didn't see one but I can guess what it is.

1. Don't change nothing.
2. The normal exchange of goods and services will solve the situation.
3. Health Insurance companies are magnificent operations.
4. I got mine, they can get theirs. I ain't payin for it.
5. I worked HARD for mine (dug ditches, thought a lot, shuffled papers., etc.) They can do the same.
6. Besides it is gonna get worse until President Obama is gone. All he does is fly the wings offn AF 1 going to war places and every place in the country all of the time. When does he sleep and hunt.
7. He is just trying to show us just how smart he is>

S. Lindsey's picture

You worked for yours.. Now GIMME mine!!!

My Grandparents and Great Grandparents would be ashamed of you..

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

meanoldconservatives's picture

Your Grandparents and Great Grandparents would be ashamed??? Can you imagine how ashamed his own ancestors would be? To birth a Bonker$? I'll bet they'd be so proud of his lies too.

meanoldconservatives's picture

Actually, you lucked up and got a couple correct.

Now, let's guess at your plan:

1) Be angry at anyone who was successful in life

2) Expect everyone to smile while providing for you

3) Complain about everything

4) Demonize Republicans and worship Democrats all the while calling yourself Independent

5) Start blogs on here that nobody replies to and be forced to do "addendums" or even use other aliases to not look completely stupid

6) Watch the women on FOX and hate yourself because the only CNN woman you would have ever had a chance with is Candy Crowley, and even that is doubtful

7) Claim to vote for John McCain in 2008 and then later deny voting for him

8) Deny, deny, deny when caught lying

9) Try to get through a day without using an entire package of Depends diapers

Keep it up. You're bringing out the best that they have to offer. To those who might read this stuff - there are Conservatives who actually can analyze facts without belittling others; can discuss without calling someone with a different view of a 'fact' a liar. What a shame that some have not been exposed to different ideas. Now I understand why some in different parts of the country have a different impression of the reasons for the Civil War, Slavery, Manifest Destiny, etc., etc., etc. A very educated woman told me that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery - it was about States Rights. I had learned the same fact - the right of states to keep slaves. Same fact - different analysis.

the fact that you take him serious, should give you pause.

meanoldconservatives's picture

Since you seem to want to be the conscience for everyone on this blog, why don't you explain what Bonker$ was trying to do when he shared his idea of our "plan" (you know, Hutch, Lindsey and MOC)? Was he not trying to belittle us? Make fun of us? Call us out? Did he not name us specifically?

All I did was turn it back on him and have some fun with him. The same thing applies to Bonker$ as it does you, and even me for that matter. If you cannot take the replies, then do not call people out by name. Is it my fault that you guys can't respond in kind? And then you get all indignant when you can't?

And while you're explaining things (for those who might read this stuff as you say), please give us your best liberal explanation how someone is not lying when they said in Oct 2008 that they voted for John McCain THIS TIME and then said earlier this month that they did not vote for him THIS TIME? Hmmmm??? Well??? Does it depend on "what the meaning of "is" is" or something like that?? I think Hutch was confused on this too.

Sticks and stones. We're judged on our own words. This is not algebra - 2 negatives do not make a positive.

meanoldconservatives's picture

Two negatives, huh? So when you replied <strong>"BONKERS Keep it up!"</strong>, that was in reply to a negative? And you encourage him. But then my reply is also seen as a negative to you and you poo-poo that. Algebra, sticks and stones, judging people in your own way. Interesting.

Anyhow.....so you can't really explain that Bonker$ lie then huh, just don't really like that word "liar" I guess. Maybe he shouldn't lie then huh? Or are you saying liberal lies are just accepted? I got it.

You are simply magnificent! Don't want to be addressed as MOC, but calling me Bonkers is OK. Hypocritical again.

No, I think those ideas about what you want in government that I listed are probably true.

meanoldconservatives's picture

<strong>"You are simply magnificent! Don't want to be addressed as MOC, but calling me Bonkers is OK. Hypocritical again."</strong>

What are you talking about old man? Addressing me as MOC? That is a lot easier to type than meanoldconservatives and is what many people do. That had nothing to do with anything, but grasp for straws if you want. You are called Bonkers because you are.

Oh, you're also called "liar" because you are that as well. It's documented.

You didn't like "being called out by name," as you put it!
You assume I lie, but you don't lie you just deal in your opinions!

You remind me of the bully who said don't step over this line---the fellow did and the bully drew another line further back and said, "don't step over this one either!"

You seem to feel that you have rights that others do not have.

I am now going to take my grasped straws and quit arguing with an impossibility. For now.

meanoldconservatives's picture

<strong>"You didn't like "being called out by name," as you put it!"</strong>

Wrong again Bonk. I didn't mind it at all. When you speculated on my "plan", I responded. DM came to your immediate aid because you apparently need her help. My point was simple. When you post things and put people's names out there....it will come back. Simple enough old man? Don't whine and get all mad when you start it. I'm not getting my feelings hurt out here. Neither can you when you start it.

<strong>"You remind me of the bully...."</strong>

So, you start the thing by speculating on my "plan". Because what I come back at you with is a little more of a zinger, that makes me a bully? Again, if you don't want to get it back in spades, leave our names out of it. Otherwise, grow a set and inform DM that you can stand up for yourself.

<strong>"You assume I lie....."</strong>

No, I know you lie. In October of 2008 you wrote here that you had voted for McCain in that election and had also voted for him previously. Then earlier this month you wrote here that you did not vote for McCain this last time, but that you had voted for him previously. So in 2008 you claimed to have voted for McCain in that 2008 election. In 2010 you claim you did not vote for him in 2008. Twist and spin it any way you choose, one of the two was a lie. Be a man and admit it.

I am successful.
No one provides for me.
I complain about the parts that are bad. No need to brag on the good parts.
I must be an Independent. I have voted at least twice both ways.
I assume that a no reply generally means agreement or embarrassment.
I don't see much of the FOX herd (Stepford women) of women. Disgusting display.
I have great respect for John McCain. He just got senile.
I deny nothing that I'm wrong about.
I don't know what those diapers are! Is that a bad thing for people to have?

hutch866's picture

Show me anywhere I have outlined my plan for healthcare, you can't because I haven't. Don't put words or ideas in my mouth, you lying piece of dung. Davids Mom, I call him a liar because he is, if that's a problem for you, well it sux to be you then. So I was going to let it go Bonk, but lets play, show me where I took you out of context, I showed you where you said you voted for both McClain and Obama, you were lying about one, which is it?

I yam what I yam

Regret you are upset and irrational.
I said that I hadn't seen your plan but I could say what would be in it! This comes from the criticism of the current one.

As to McCain, I have said twice what I did, but for you I will again:

The first time McCain tried for President, I helped in his campaign--he didn't get nominated.
This last time I wanted to vote for him but after hearing his speeches and picking Sarah Palin after HE WAS nominated, I could not VOTE FOR HIM OR HER. I voted for President OBAMA THEN SINCE HE WAS THE ONLY OTHER CANDIDATE.

Please don't get further "hung-up" on accusations of lying rather than respond to a statement! Or not respond at all with calling a human being a piece of dung.

What is your opinion of the "HATAREES" and the "TEAS."

hutch866's picture

Twice I have showed what you wrote about McClain, did you write it or did I make it up, so yet again,answer the question, which time were you lying? It's not an accusation it's a stone cold truth with the proof posted. The fact remains also that you were putting words in my mouth, so go lie about something else and leave me out of it. One thing you're right about is that it's not fair to the dung to compare it with you, liar. It's funny watching you deny though, you should have been a politician yourself, the lies come easily to your lips and fingers.

I yam what I yam

S. Lindsey's picture

You said you wanted to know what my IDEAS where not a budget plan so sorry must have misunderstood..

Ok here ya go..

The Lindsey budget plan for Healthcare.. PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.. Stop asking others to pay for it for YOU..

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

Calm down and read your stuff before you post.

<cite>You said you wanted to know what my IDEAS where not a budget plan so sorry must have misunderstood.</cite>

WHAT??????

Don't bother to re-write. Affordable health care is NOT WELFARE!

S. Lindsey's picture

<strong>Davidsmom posted</strong>

Lindsey - Show us!!
"We cannot afford this. Now don't get me wrong I would like to see reform as well.. But there are better ways to do this.. and this is not it."

<strong>YOU ASKED</strong>

WHAT IS IT? <strong>What ideas do the nay sayers have that are NOT IN THIS BILL? Only 'must do' items are being implemented immediately.</strong> We're looking for statesman who can look at the bill and work together to improve it. Where is the budget analysis for the 'improvements'? SHOW US THE BETTER WAY! It's your/their responsibility to present the 'better way' document with budget figures. Hurry – inquiring minds want to know.

<strong>I responded..</strong>

"DM how many more times do I have to chronicle them for you
I have done so over and over and over...

You are just be obtuse and deliberately misleading.

Go back to your soap operas reality bites.."

<strong>You Responded</strong>

"Lindsey
I'm so sorry. Will someone post for me Lindsey's budget plan for Health Reform? Thanks. Sorry I missed it!"

<cite><strong>Now DM where did I go wrong??</cite></strong>

Your post I thought was very clear you asked..Demanded really..
"What ideas do the nay sayers have that are NOT IN THIS BILL? Only 'must do' items are being implemented immediately"

Then you turned and wanted my budget plan??? Now I didn't say it before.. but you wanted a freaking BUDGET PLAN FROM ME.. so if I don't have one all arguments are therefore void.. REALLY DM..!! Have I ever said I was an ECONOMIST DM? For that matter ARE YOU??

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

I rest my case. Nite.

S. Lindsey's picture

to say goodnight..

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

Git Real's picture

Why do you bother?

It must be to expose the demented and twisted mindset of the liberal mind. I suppose if that is your gig.... You are on most definitely on top of your game.

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

meanoldconservatives's picture

Would you please explain that it is not <strong>WHAT IS NOT IN THE BILL</strong> that is the problem. It is <strong>WHAT IS IN THE BILL</strong> that is the problem. You know, that little "income shift" Sen. Baucus so deftly confessed to. That "mal-distribution of income in America" that takes from the achievers and gives to the non-achievers. It is so much more palatable to call it that rather than that dirty "S" word.

S. Lindsey's picture

but it's as I have said.. Pigs singing and all that..

We have given her the reasons.. the items not included as well as the items included that is a basic threat to liberty or is not a part of real reform..

Any more is just redundant

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

The Wedge's picture

This healthcare step brings us closer to the brink of loss of free will. The first step, mandating that everyone must buy health insurance through the use of the "Commerce Clause". Next a mandate of what is healthy and unhealthy to eat and do- since the feds are paying for and controlling healthcare. Then with such a libertine interpretation of the Commece Clause - no aspect of our lives would be sacrosanct. The government could dictate any aspect of our lives through the Commerce Clause. And our freedom dies a little with each bite.

You and I grew up very differently. My grandparents emigrated here from Eastern Europe to escape Hitler....none of them had a formal education, in fact they did not speak the language and arrived with about $20 in their pockets. All from the same village. They were under 16 years of age when they arrived. All remaining relatives in Europe were put to death by the Nazis.
They started with nothing, living in tenaments and through hard work and opportunity they each made individual fortunes.
They understood the importance of social justice..especially when they each received letters that their entire village and remaining family members were put to death.
That lesson was passed down with a clear understanding never to be self absorbed or selfish! Those are the people I admire most, people who put their new adopted country first...people who donated their entire fortunes to organizations to help their fellow man.
We were taught to work hard, be competitive,and always care for your fellow man and help to create a better society for everyone.
America is a great country and what's tearing us apart are self absorbed politicans who put themselves first, lining their campaign budgets with lobbyist' money...not really caring about the people who elected them.
Yes we need to balance the budget, and quickly, but we need a country that takes care of the unfortunate.

S. Lindsey's picture

"Yes we need to balance the budget, and quickly, but we need a country that takes care of the unfortunate."

There is no other Country that is more Charitable both Domestically and Internationally.

Look at the Billions sent to New Orleans and now Haiti..

But equal misery does not equate equality. Forcing others to shoulder a larger burden then we already shoulder is both morally wrong.. it also violates the very Spirit of the Founding Fathers.

Since Obama loves using analogies I guess I can too..

Let's say my next door neighbor we will call him Bob bought a very large house and lives a lavish lifestyle.. He bought more house then he can afford and spends more than he brings in.. He begins to fail..

Now let's say the Government steps in and saves him, but to do so they go to everyone in the neighborhood and FORCE them to pay for Bob's house and debt. Would you hand over the cash because you care or because they held a gun to your head..

The Government cannot force you to care and should not force me to pay for someone else's failures.. That is the basic concept of Government run Healthcare.

I have to pay by force of law for others failures.. A Homosexual gets aids because they have unprotected sex.. Why do I have to pay for their treatments?

An alcoholic's liver fails and needs an Organ transplant.. Why do I have to pay for the operation..?

A 400 pound person gets Diabetes.. Why do I have to pay for their Insulin?

Now you lose your job (thru NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN) and can't afford Cobra.. I will help subsidize that.. but only for so long and under confirmation of seeking employment.

Children are already covered but additional coverage if necessary.. again no issues..

BUT.. you say you can't afford to buy a policy and get sick.. but yet you have cars, plasma tvs, Cable and go on vacations and you want me to pay for you.. Well SUCKS TO BE YOU..

I am all about personal responsibility.. WE are responsible for ourselves FIRST.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

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