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Rep. Ramsey: Census data in, redistricting to start

With the new raw Census data now available for Georgia, legislators will be looking forward in coming months to the process of redistricting, and Peachtree City Rep. Matt Ramsey, a Republican, will play a key role in the process, chairing the subcommittee for House and Senate Legislative Districts.

Ramsey this week said there will be a series of 10 to 12 public hearings all over the state to get input from citizens on the matter.

“At the end of the day we want to conduct the process fairly and inclusively, and not enact a partisan gerrymandering of the state as resulted when Roy Barnes was governor, resulting in the current map for Fayette County,” Ramsey said.

The redistricting process involves the use of Census population data to redraw the lines for not just the state legislative seats but also Georgia’s congressional districts.

Not only will Ramsey play a key role, but Sen. Ronnie Chance, R-Tyrone, is a member of the Senate’s Reapportionment and Redistricting Committee.

For right now though, it’s too early to get any kind of handle on how the changes might affect Fayette County, Ramsey added.

“In terms of what the maps will look like, we won’t know until we go through that process this summer,” Ramsey said.

In other news, Ramsey reported the status of his immigration bill that has been approved by the House of Representatives. The Senate approved a slightly different bill, so now it’s a matter of which chamber “votes over” its bill to the other side, Ramsey said.

Once that occurs, it’s likely that a conference committee will be appointed in an attempt to resolve the matter.

Also of note, Ramsey said a tax reform package most certainly will not occur this year, as it is too late in the legislative session for it to be considered.

Legislators have been digesting a number of recommendations from a specially-appointed council that studied ways to end Georgia’s income tax and replace it with a consumer-driven tax system.

Although a bill listing all the tax council’s recommendations has been introduced, Ramsey predicts not all of them will remain in the bill “when, or if, it is passed.”

“This proposal needs a GREAT deal of study,” Ramsey writes in an email he sends to constituents on the matter.

The bill as constituted would result in a one-third to one-half reduction in the state’s 6 percent income tax rate in exchange for levying the state sales tax on some services and eliminating certain sales tax exemptions, Ramsey said.

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Observerofu's picture

from bacon. You now want me to prove a negative with a presumed negative?

Well here you go. Obviously Hispanic has the highest number of deportations they also have the highest number of illegal entry.

<a href="http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=157904"> Deportation Stats</a>

So now your turn. Since your position appears to be that we can not enforce the law since it is not enforced equally what evidence of that do you have?

btw- I have not heard Obama speaking to a bunch if Irish illegals telling them he wants them to succeed. Just saying.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y1eAKbXk7E&feature=player_embedded">Obama to illegal Students "I want you to succeed"</a>

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Yup, scare tactics indeed. The CIA estimates a grand total of around 200 Al Queda terra-ists worldwide, but the dingleberry right continues to insist that "hundreds" have crossed the border into the USA. Mmm hmm.

Here in Fayette county, we're more at risk from a McVeigh clone than we are from any furriner. Now that Fayette county is officially 20% non-white, I can definitely envision one of a certain caliber of Fayette resident (the type that rhymes with "Might Clash") such as 30YearResident,"normal", or even PTC avenger going nuts and shooting up a school.

PTC Observer's picture

How many operatives did it take to bring down those buildings in NYC?

A little less than 200 I guess, and where do you think those 200 would just love to be right now? I don't guess it is in Egypt or Iraq.

However, "nuts" do come in all stripes. I agree on this...... ;-)

I dont own a gun and never will. Just dont have any use for them. And you say 200 terrorists worldwide. Ask the good people fighting in Afghanistan about that ignorant comment. Heck there are that many just in New York city. Stop worrying. Everything is just fine

Observerofu's picture

Cause I got one here that says that once again you have your "facts" wrong.

"According to the CIA, since the Sept. 11, 2002 attacks over 3,000 al Qaeda militants have been arrested, with more than one-third of the group's top leaders killed or captured"

I believe 3000 is more than 200. At least my Secondary education taught me so. Not so sure what yours taught you.

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/alqaeda.cfm

I suppose that one is just another one of your "faulty" memories bacon?

http://www.thecitizen.com/blogs/terry-garlock/01-25-2011/creating-jobs-o...

[quote=Chris P. Bacon]

The devil, as often is the case, is in the details.

How is "small business" defined? The SBA defines a "small business" as a business with fewer than FIVE THOUSAND employees. You heard that right. You can have 4999 employees and the government considers you "small".

Does "small business" really generate/destroy those jobs? Yes, but put a big ole asterisk beside it:

The REAL growth occurs right around the 5000 employee mark, and even then it's qualified.

Want to know a dirty little secret? Say you have a firm with 5200 employees. You lay off 250 employees due to poor economic conditions. That means a big business has lost 250 employees, right? WRONG...as far as the government is concerned, that's a NET INCREASE of 4950 "small business jobs". The SBA statistics are weighted like this to favor "small business".

The biggest gains in "small business" jobs over the last 30 or so years has come from "big businesses" downsizing to less than the magic 5000 employee threshold.

[/quote]

[quote=Observerofu]
The Small Business Act states that a small business concern is "one that is independently owned and operated and which is not dominant in its field of operation."

"SBA has a section called Office of Size Standards that defines the appropriate size for a small business. The size standards are broken by NAICS industry classification and are based on two things (a) size standards in millions of dollars; and (b) by number of employee. In most industries, 500 is the maximum for small businesses, though there are industries where a business can have 1000-1500 employees yet still considered "small business"

Here is the size standard table by NAICS code breakdown
Follow Link:

http://www.sba.gov/content/table-small-business-size-standards

Bottom of page you can download the table either as a .pdf or excel spreadsheet. Note the total number of MAXIMUM employees.

<strong>1500 is NOT 5000
Some "misinformation" (lie?) is just too easy to refute.</strong>

As someone said above "The Devil is in the details" indeed.[/quote]

How Have Terrorists Entered the U.S.?
Study: Since 1993, almost every means of immigration exploited

http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/terrorpr.html

"The report, entitled "The Open Door: How Militant Islamic Terrorists Entered and Remained in the United States, 1993-2001," by the Center's Director of Research Steven A. Camarota, contains immigration histories for each of the 48 terrorists. Contrary to claims that foreign terrorists have come only as temporary visitors, research indicates that they have manipulated almost every possible means of admission to the United States: Some have indeed come as students, tourists, and business travelers; others, however, have been Lawful Permanent Residents and naturalized U.S. citizens; while yet others have snuck across the border, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, been granted amnesty, or been applicants for asylum."

Nothing to see here move along people move along.

Them faulty memories are tough sometimes as one gets older.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

opusman's picture

New york Times
"Taken together with the recent estimate by the C.I.A. director, Leon E. Panetta, that there are about 50 to 100 Qaeda operatives now in AFGHANISTAN, American intelligence agencies believe that there are most likely fewer than 500 members of the group IN A REGION where the United States has poured nearly 100,000 troops."

and another (regional numbers Not world wide figures)
http://defensetech.org/2010/07/01/intel-officials-estimate-al-qaeda-numb...

http://www.middleeastfacts.com/middle-east/al-qaeda-al-queda.php

These speak of numbers in limited regions Hardly world wide numbers

The numbers You quote are for terrorist Commanders.

Wikipedia ( you and other bloggers seem to love to resource)is not a valid source Not one university will except it as a valid resource. Wiki even claims Commanders in 200-300 range

"Invincibility lies in the defense. The possibility of victory in the attack."
SUN TZU

You are correct and I was mistaken. I used the Pakistan estimate as a worldwide figure. (Unlike the cowardly Observerofu, I have no problem owning up to my errors. That's one of the main differences between a man like me and a punk like him). You get the "I fact-checked Chris P. Bacon" badge.

Let's take a step back and look at the big picture here. Let's double your link's estimate and presume there are 1000 Al Qaeda extremists remaining in a world of seven billion people.

Should America as a country hide under the figurative bed as several people here say we should, because of these 1000 extremists? Should we spend billions of dollars creating Fortress America to embiggen a false sense of security? Do we need the hellish Police State that Gestapo Matty Ramsey seems bound and determined to push upon us?

I say no.

What say you?

Observerofu's picture

I will own up to it. You see I don't use false stats where I then have to come back and make corrections. I check my facts before I post. Now I have made a couple of errors of fact but I don't make up stats. That's yours and roundabouts job.

Now there have been three:

1. Here where 200 is really 3000+ at a minimum.

2. Small Business Administration 5000 is really 1500 on the high end 500 avg.

3. Your mythical Report that Conservatives are less educated.

What are you going to make up next?

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Remember, it only took 11 to kill 3000 in New York. ( and they at one time had legal visas.)

The issue is the mess that illegal use of cheap labor has reaped on our country.

Observerofu's picture

so why do YOU think we are not?

All illegals aka Criminals should be sent home. They can get in line like everyone else.

Fine the employers and jail them if necessary but the bleeding of our economy by non-citizens taking our wealth must end.

"What You Need to Know About Life in America was first published in Taiwan in the late 1980s. It provided readers with a step-by-step guide on how to come to the U.S. and apply for public assistance, including SSI. It figured prominently in the debate that led up to the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, and most thought that the book, and what it stood for, would go away with the act's restrictions on public assistance for non-citizens."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79013,00.html

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Those who worked on welfare reform did not forget- but government by lobbyists won out- and the law has not been followed.

No need to pass bad law that will divide this country. Mike King and Cy, both good conservatives, have the answer - they just don"t have electionitis.

Observerofu's picture

Arizona is trying that and for that they are getting sued by the FEDERAL Government.

So who has the right to protect their borders?

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

[quote]All illegals aka Criminals should be sent home. They can get in line like everyone else.

Fine the employers and jail them if necessary but the bleeding of our economy by non-citizens taking our wealth must end.[/quote]

The law to do this is on the books. Applied justly, we wouldn't be in this mess. The lobbyist for certain industries should have lobbied for a work plan for foreign workers. Instead they chose to break the law and take advantage of cheap labor.

Will the area Around Buford Highway in Gwinnett County be split into several districts so as to avoid a sure election of a minority?
A sliver marking various districts could snake through that area dividing it into 5-6 districts---not enough to influence a minority getting a majority!

Gerrymandering is a nasty business! We simply have to put these people in their place though. Fayette County could use one of those slivers!

Some people should simply not be allowed to vote---not seriously anyway.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

All over the country there will be redistricting of congressional districts and that is the true benefit of the Republican resurgence or the influence of the Tea Party or the disgust of Obama/Pelosi/Reed. And it will be those new districts in which people will vote in 2012. Of course the Republicans gerrymander as well and that is fine.

Almost guarantees more gains in the House and certainly gains within the state legislatures and that's pretty good. The anti-incumbent mood and the high number of U.S. Senators retiring will probably result in a Republican majority (possibly even veto-proof) there. This is all good.

What isn't so good is the Republican Presidential offerings. Tim Pawlenty? Michelle Bachman? This is the kind of candidate that keeps Obama in the White House. Oh well, at least he can't do something stupid like declare war without congressional approval.

Live free or die!

North America to the Protestants and South America to the Catholics. The northward migration of our southern bretheren is clear evidence that God is fully on the side of the Catholics now and is smiting the rebellious Protestants through illegal immigration, welfare system abuse, low-rider driving, and open Spanish speaking in public! Protestants repent lest the Lord unleash a tsunami on our eastern shores! Even Billy Graham's son is worried! The End is near! Study up on transubstantiation before it's too late!

LOL !

JeffC's picture

I'm seeing a gain of 8 by the Rs in the 2012 Senate race. 13 is going to be tough, particularly with the weak Republican presidential candidate field.

PTC Observer's picture

realize it was 2012 already.

If things keep going the way they are going both parties will be in trouble, including some old timers.

The fact is the Congress is going to have to get a grip on reality. One way or another, it appears to me they will have to be taken kicking and screaming to the woodshed.

I think you are making your judgments on business as usual. It will be anything but that in 2012.

JeffC's picture

Let's see the TEAs budget in Congress if they can produce one. It's going to be a loser politically. They've already got their voters energized and are not likely to pick up as many new voters as they are to lose some after people see what they are going to cut. The deficit is so large that if they don't cut entitlements, they'll have to cut everything else which will irritate and motivate people. If they do cut entitlements, they'll lose a lot more. So far it's been a lot of sound and fury but little else. Still, it's early. We'll see what they come up with.

Given their stance on immigration and the propensity of some of the Rs candidates to demonize Hispanics while discussing the issue, the Rs will almost certainly drive that whole block to the Dems again.

The Middle East is a huge question. Obama muffed Egypt but seems to be doing much better in Libya. So much so that talk radio is close to supporting Kaddafi. Syria may be next. Obama and the Ds might have a really great foreign policy story to campaign on.

Redistricting won't affect the Senate races. Winning 13 races is going to be tough.

2012 should be a very interesting election indeed.

PTC Observer's picture

I am sure that it is the hope of all “governmentalist” that the entitlement crowd turns out for the next election. After all why go to all the trouble of creating entitlement programs if you can't get them out to vote when you need them? This of course is non-partisan, both parties use government programs to get reelected. After all, dependency is necessary to retain power, right?

Immigration is the least of our problems; it is the threat of our own government to individual freedom that is the biggest threat. The bigger government gets the more of a threat it becomes. I don't think the mood of the country is driven by immigration, its a ruse to take our minds off the real issue. The issue is out of control government growth and fiscal malfeasance in the name of special interests.

If those in Middle East could vote, I guess this would make a big difference in the next election, but they don't.

The fact that we are even talking about redistricting as a way to power in the Senate speaks volumes about how Washington and the people have screwed up the Constitution. The states no longer have representation in the central government and won't unless the 17th Admendment is repealed.

You are correct indeed, the 2012 election should be one of the most interesting elections in US history. The aftermath of this election could decide the fate of our country either way. God save us all.

JeffC's picture

The entitlement crowd is going to be motivated. That has to be taken into consideration counting likely voters. My comments about immigration was also related to likely voters as many Hispanics will be single issue voters. Just musings about election factors; it was not intended as a ruse but I suspect you meant that in a larger context. It's part of the bread and circuses.

I agree that the real issue is out of control government growth and fiscal malfeasance. We have come to the same conclusion from different political perspectives. I suspect that this is because the problem is so alarming that reasonable people, and I'm including myself in that definition despite my liberal leanings, look at the challenges to our country and recognize that, everything considered, this is by far and away the single biggest threat.

Your trashing of the 17th has warmed my heart. The biggest Constitutional mistake ever made. The Founders wanted the States and the people represented for good reasons. The damage is incalculable.

You are too pessimistic and you know it. This is America. We're not only going to survive, we're going to win! Cheer up. My guy really isn't that bad. I'm hoping that during the 2012s he'll give us one of his positions on something.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

going away. Huge mistake. Not sure I understand how that came about and who was pushing it and why. Anyhow, that is not going to change and 2012 will feature a bunch of under-educated voters giving us a bunch of new Senators and Representatives who will promise sweeping changes and much reform.

Then - nothing will actually happen. Maybe they will stifle some of Obama's crazier ideas in his second term, but I don't expect much out of the class of 2012 in terms of actually getting something productive done. Fair Tax would be nice. Defunding Obama care, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan would really be good. Gutting Dept. of Education and other useless federal programs would even be nicer, but I don't expect any of it.

Keeping open borders and pandering to Hispanics will continue and eventually there will be more Hispanics than anything else in the House and Senate. Can you say President Garcia in 2040?

Live free or die!

PTC Observer's picture

I am afraid that our starting points on the philosophy of liberty are so far apart that you underestimate my pessimistic mood.

The fact that "This is America.” means little. In fact given the backdrop of history the United States of America, is merely a blip of freedom that is quickly being wiped clean. The philosophy of social engineering that you hold dear is destroying the very freedom it is envisioned to protect. There is no guarantee that the USA can survive. In fact, history says that it won’t.

If the law is justice, then it is quickly being extinguished by the heavy hand of government. The law is corrupted and has been given over to a mindless state compelled by petty special interests. What is the proper role of government if it is not to protect our ideas, our wills, our education, our opinions, our work, our trade, our property, our talents and the freedom to choose for ourselves? Its proper role is certainly not to regulate these rights and freedoms. However, that is exactly what our government is doing, everyday. The very freedom that we hold so dear is being stolen from us by socialists through social engineering and good intentions. Even the Congress has abdicated its authority to a mindless bureaucracy that makes its own law and enforces it with its own police. To deny this is to deny reality.

It is entrenched political parties seeking to regulate our lives based on their visions of utopia, which have brought us to the precipice. Which vision is right? Should we use the law to enforce social views of what is “correct” and “right”? Or should we use the force of law to protect our basic freedoms? We are looking into the abyss, we simply have to turn back and set people free to regulate their own lives and trust in God’s works. The visions of your party and the other party have failed us. Let’s try Freedom.

Observerofu's picture

[quote=JeffC]
The Middle East is a huge question. Obama muffed Egypt but seems to be doing much better in Libya.
2012 should be a very interesting election indeed.[/quote]

When was the President, any President, given the authority to attack a Country that posed no immediate threat to the US without Congressional approval?

So we abrogate authority to the UN and allow them to control OUR interest?

This is your winning strategy? Oh please, I hope you guys ride that horse in 2012.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

NUK_1's picture

No congressional authority for those until after the troops were already there and fighting. Whether the War Powers Resolution is even constitutional is a question and Congress hasn't shown any willingness to see it tested. They'd rather complain about not being consulted, but that also gives them political cover if things go bad, so they like that a lot too.

JeffC's picture

There was no Constitutional mandate necessary for this purely humanitarian (LOL) mission.

Obama managed to go in, blow the hell out of Libya with the approval of the Arab League, semi-destroy Qaddafi, then turn the whole thing over to NATO and tell the French it's their colony-their problem and leave the overthrow and repercussions to them.

It's brilliant!

Assuming they planned it that way.

Observerofu's picture

Most voters are not going to remember Reagan but they sure remember Bush. They will also remember Congress screaming for Congressional approval for Afghanistan and Iraq.

They will remember the silence now from both parties at least I hope so.

The Constitution is more than an old document it was and is the foundation in which we were built. We keep digging out that foundation and soon the house will fall.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Having a veto-proof majority is more important than ever. Only way to stop the march toward socialism and a complete meltdown of the country.

After reading in the AJC the profiles of the 12 supposed Republican Presidential candidates, I have no confidence that any of these are good enough to beat Prezbo. I mean they are not capable of campaigning against him and winning the election. Certainly almost all would be better at running the country, but they have to get elected first and I just don't see it. Obama can say anything, promise anything and sound real good saying it; then not deliver anything at all and somehow blame it on the Republicans and the stupid people who vote actually believe it.

Gingrich could destroy him in a debate (which Obama would never allow to be scheduled) but only 5% of the populace would understand what just happened.

At this point it looks like Romney and if he picks a woman or minority as a running mate the Republican Party will buy into that. He won't win, but that is a likely scenario for naming a candidate.

I forget who said it, but it was really funny - Pawlenty and Bachman are fueling the nations overwhelming desire to have a President from Minnesota - in the spirit of Eugene McCarthy, Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale.

I still like Cain, but that seems like a hopeless long shot. Palin and the rest - losers for sure.

Live free or die!

Jeff C'ss calculations may be right!

From an article by E. J. Dionne in today's AJC

<cite> . .a part of the country that was integral to the Republican surge of 2010 is shifting away from the GOP . . </cite>

It appears that Republicans miscalculated the unpopularity of union workers. Poll numbers of support for collective bargaining for public sector workers are stronger than most labor supporters expected. Looks like the Republicans and their 'class warfare' ideology is backfiring on them. Later this year several Republican state senators could face recall elections. The 'wealth envy' rhetoric that we see so often in these discussions is not going over well with the middle class that are fast becoming the working poor. A lot will depend on the budget discussions in Congress. Wow - politics may benefit the American people instead of 'political party'. Alienating legal Hispanic citizens, the labor vote, and police,firefighters, and educators isn't playing well in middle America. 2012 can swing either way. Who's not listening now? We live in the most loyally Republican part of the country - but the rest of the country is beginning to see things differently. Interesting.

It's been interesting watching this union-bashing play out.

The Republicans horribly misunderestimated American opinion on this issue.

It seems that "unions" joins "abortion" as one of those rarified issues that cause independents to climb down off their fences and take a stand.

People may not like the thought of unions, just like they may not like the thought of abortions, but what they like even less is conservatives attempting to restrict access to unions/abortions.

We, the little s and big S have sent some running to their 'resources' to answer our comments. Too bad people can't express themselves and think on their feet. ( But I'm going to take my own advice and not cloud the issue with personal attacks.)

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/22/arizona-teacher-middle-immigration-... Teacher's Letter Reignites Immigration Debate
</a>

<cite>Hill wrote that a majority of eight-grade students who he taught recently at an unnamed Glendale school refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance and declared that "We are Mexicans and Americans stole our land."</cite>

<cite>Hill went on to write: "I have found that (in) substitute teaching in these areas most of the Hispanic students do not want to be educated but rather (want to) be gang members and gangsters. They hate America and are determined to reclaim this area for Mexico."</cite>

So much for assimilating peacefully into American society.......

<a href="http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/10/2715913/former-kansas-welfare-worke... Kansas welfare worker says illegal immigrants abused the system</a>

<cite>Lana Reed, who worked as a bilingual specialist for the Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services in Overland Park from 2008 to 2010, urged lawmakers to adopt the bill targeting illegal immigration. She described a system overrun by illegal immigrants who used false Social Security numbers and other fraudulent documents to game the system.</cite>

Nothing to see here, America. Just move along and accept the invaders without question, lest the race pimps cry "RACISM!!"

[quote] She described a system overrun by illegal immigrants who used false Social Security numbers and other fraudulent documents to game the system[/quote]

Hello! What will the 'paper' carrying in these bills change? We all know what industries in our country will have the final word. Until we introduce a workable work program in this country for foreign workers, we will have solved nothing. Ramsey seems incapable of doing this at this time.

By the way, talk of 'taking back their country' has been going on for years, but as long as cheap labor was beneficial, this was ignored.

Use the WW II German answer of dealing with the 'unwanted Jewish' population and force all Hispanic or Hispanic looking persons to carry 'papers'. NOT! (since some here have identified Hispanics as the only 'law breakers'.)

Observerofu's picture

came boiling over the border and started sucking up jobs and taking taxpayer assistance then we would be talking about them danged Canadians.

[quote=Davids mom]Use the WW II German answer of dealing with the 'unwanted Jewish' population and force all Hispanic or Hispanic looking persons to carry 'papers'. NOT! (since some here have identified Hispanics as the only 'law breakers'.)[/quote]

Dmom legal immigrants (non-naturalized citizens) must carry their papers. It's called a Green card. It is a Federal Law it must be on their person and must be available upon request at ALL TIMES. Legal immigrants know this. The issue with Hispanics is they have a large lobby and media arm to flaunt their illegal activity.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

What happens to the Hispanic American who does not have nor needs to have a 'green' card? Why should any American suffer this indignity? It does happen in America. Too many Americans have been stopped for 'probable cause' - it's called 'driving while 'black'. It is illegal, there are words in the law that should prevent this - but it happens. Should we all be asked to show papers to prove we are legal citizens, regardless of our appearance? Maybe that is an answer. Illegal green cards can be purchased. That has not solved the problem of illegals in our country. They come to work. This has been discussed.

'Large lobby' includes some American industries .

Observerofu's picture

[quote=Davids mom]What happens to the Hispanic American who does not have nor needs to have a 'green' card? Why should any American suffer this indignity? It does happen in America. Too many Americans have been stopped for 'probable cause' - it's called 'driving while 'black'. It is illegal, there are words in the law that should prevent this - but it happens. Should we all be asked to show papers to prove we are legal citizens, regardless of our appearance? Maybe that is an answer. Illegal green cards can be purchased. That has not solved the problem of illegals in our country. They come to work. This has been discussed.

'Large lobby' includes some American industries .[/quote]

Correct so enforce the laws that are on the books. Again I point out however when a State i.e. Arizona tries to they get sued by the Federal Government.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Enforce the law equally, not just those who appear Hispanic. Enforce the law in the sweat shops and onion fields where there is 'probable cause'. ( not to mention government offices in Atlanta). Remember, every Hispanic looking person is not here illegally - why I bet most have their 'green card' and/ or SS number. NOT . So how will these bills solve our problem? Stop hiring illegals! No need for the fear of 'racial profiling'. The problem of the crime that comes with the drug cartel is another issue. We should really thank law enforcement in Fayette County.

what do you think of US attorney general Eric Holder suing Arizona instead of enforcing existing federal law? FWIW, I mostly agree with you, all laws should be enforced. LEGAL immigration is what made America a great country, however, a policy of no enforcement of law and an accept anything all encompassing politically correct perversion of multiculturalism will destroy America. -GP

Kind of a specious claim there about Attorney General Holder "suing instead of enforcing".

While I realize that most teahadists have trouble multitasking (making walkin' and chewin' gum a near-insurmountable task), the simple fact of the matter is that most Americans have no problem dealing with multiple priorities.

I notice that you once again bring up the meme that the Federal government is somehow "not enforcing the law". Care to back up that claim?

bite when it's storming! Trolling for little "s" socialist DM and big "S" Socialist Bacon bites! Hook set...he's pulling drag! President Obama seems to think he has the power and not Arizona http://www.ontheissues.org/international/barack_obama_immigration.htm but in reality Arizona does per the Tenth amendment. So who's right, Obama or the Constitution? Now you show me where the feds get the power in the constitution. Kind of a conundrum for a one world socialist now isn't it....but I am sure you can twist (or ignore) the constitution just like Holder. Obama enforces law that doesn't exist and Holder sues when Arizona exerts it powers under the Tenth, bottom line, ...fish in the boat, end of story. -GP

Gosh here I was just sayin' that teahadists like Georgia H8riot couldn't multitask, and he steps up to the plate and knocks one clear out of the park: in addition to being one of Fayette's most reliable religious bigots, he's also a "tenther" too. No drivin' on interstate highways for H8riot, they're not authorized by the 10th amendment! DerpDerpDerp!

Still waiting, though, for you to show me specific evidence that Attorney General Holder is not enforcin' laws.

I just KNOW you're man enough to back up your claim, GP. You're not from Alabama, right?

Bacon, the hook set too deep? All you are doing is flopping in the boat. Here is a quote from the brief filed by Holder "In our constitutional system, the power to regulate immigration is exclusively vested in the federal government," the brief said. "The immigration framework set forth by Congress and administered by federal agencies reflects a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian concerns -- concerns that belong to the nation as a whole, not a single state." So Bacon, just so we are on the same page here, I insinuated it was federal law in order to entice little "s" to bite, but now that I am dealing with big "S" see if you can understand this. Follow closely now.. It is my contention that power is not granted to the feds in the constitution and Holder is wrong, Arizona is right, understand now? Now your turn, defend Holders lawsuit by using the Constitution, while you are reading it (probably for the first time), see if you can find the Tenth amendment. -GP

[quote]and an accept anything all encompassing politically correct perversion of multiculturalism will destroy America. -GP[/quote]

Employers would have hired pink people with green polka-dots from Fantasia! It's <strong>cheap labor</strong>- not multiculturalism

was not what I was speaking of! Only content of character should matter. Read this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41444364/ns/world_news-europe/ -GP

Keep talking GP! Your vision of an all-white America is not part of our national identity. But keep talking, more Americans are moving away from your thinking. Our 'culture' is recognized as inclusive and American. We are not British. We had a war to establish that fact, What does a human's skin color or religion have to do with their 'character'? Ones character is demonstrated on how she/she treats others. The British had their colonies - and we have our United States. The American culture itself is 'multicultural '. Can you express what you're really thinking without comparing us to the British? Our problems in human and civil rights appears to involve 'cheap labor'.

Why do you inject race into everything? I NEVER mentioned skin color. I was speaking of acceptance of other cultures, ie the multiculturalism that prevails in most of the world today. FWIW, there can be a "culture" of crime, or a "culture" that supports jihad against "infidels", or even a "culture" of blindly accepting other "cultures" that are hell bent on destruction of the country. This has nothing to do with race, well... at least on my part. This has EVERYTHING to do with the destruction of our country. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multicu... -GP

Thanks for the explanation.

[quote]Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democratic Union party, Merkel said the idea of people from different cultural backgrounds living happily "side by side" did not wor[/quote]

She is speaking of those who 'refuse' to integrate. That is not the case here is it? How many Muslims follow and/or demand Sharia Law in the US? (By the Constitution, they have the right to practice it as long as they don't break US law). How many Hispanics are turning their nose up at our traditions? Is celebrating an ethnic holiday un-American? What about St. Patricks Day - which all Americans celebrate? Let's not tell the world our multicultural society has failed because a German leader declares that it has failed for them. We have been a multicultural society since our founding. We just didn't treat all cultures equally. We do now! If you are denying that the 'browning' of America has nothing to do with this situation - you're not being honest with yourself. However - the real problem is what are we going to do with foreign workers? RACE is still a problem in America - but we have come a long way to turn back the progress now because we want to place fear of <strong>all</strong> who are different into the minds of our citizens. Stop using 'race' to hide your fear of 'change'.

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