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PTC's Rep. Ramsey reviews his immigration bill success

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal has said he will sign the controversial immigration reform bill that was carried through the legislature by Republican Rep. Matt Ramsey of Peachtree City.

The bill was in a bit of tug-and-war before it was ultimately passed by the House and the Senate April 14, the last day of the legislative session.

In that process, the bill received a few minor changes, but Ramsey said the most important elements remained in place.

The heart of the bill is aimed at keeping illegal immigrants from gaining employment, as it requires all businesses with 10 or more employees to use a computer network run by the federal government to check a job applicant’s immigration status.

The bill also retained a provision allowing law enforcement officers to check the immigration status of anyone who is being investigated for a crime, including misdemeanors and traffic stops. Current Georgia law allows immigration checks only for those charged with committing a felony offense.

The law will allow law enforcement to report any illegal immigrants to the federal government, but the truth is that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement currently is only deporting immigrants accused of felonies.

The bill also is aimed at withholding public tax “benefits” from being spent on illegal immigrants, a whole laundry list of items including the following, according to a recent ruling from the Georgia Attorney General’s Office:

• Adult education;

• Business certificate, license or registration; also to include occupational and professional licenses;

• Health benefits;

• Medicaid;

• Housing allowance, grant, guarantee or loan;

• Disability assistance or insurance;

• Rent assistance or subsidy;

• Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF);

• State identification card; and

• State grant or loan.

By federal law, Georgia can not deny access to K-12 schools and also emergency medical care to illegal immigrants, he noted.

“This immigration bill we think is the strongest and most aggressive in the country,” Ramsey said. “It is Constitutional. We are very proud of the product and we think it’s just a great day for Georgia.”

The requirement for Georgia businesses to participate in the federal government’s E-Verify system starts in nine months for the largest companies in the state, with a staggered requirement date for the remaining companies based on their size, Ramsey said.

Businesses must swear in an annual affidavit that they are using E-Verify in order to qualify for a locally-issued business license or tax occupation certificate, Ramsey said.

That means that each city and county in Georgia will be keeping track of those affidavits, and any business found to not be participating in E-Verify after submitting said affidavit can be prosecuted for perjury or false swearing, Ramsey said.

A business that fails to submit such an affidavit may not be issued a business license or occupational tax certificate, Ramsey said.

One concession in the bill, forged by the Senate, was the creation of a study on the U.S. guest worker program by the Georgia Department of Agriculture to provide recommendations for usability improvements to the federal government, Ramsey said.

Ramsey credited passage of the bill to the cooperation between the leadership of the House and the Senate.

“We got almost everything we wanted, and every bit of the important pieces of the bill remained intact,” Ramsey said.

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In a letter to U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder, one of the Leftist Czar in the Justice Department, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) has labeled Utah's guest worker amnesty as "illegal" and expressed consternation at Attorney General Holder's obvious refusal to enforce the law in Utah when he has been so quick to counter Arizona's interior enforcement laws. This shows the Liberal influence pushing for some form--any form of amnesty, that the TEA PARTY will fight as the costs are astronomical, and it overruling the laws of of our country. This is a contradiction to Janet Napolitano stating that the Border fence is more secure than ever before.

On Fox News and on C-Span TV broadcasts, has illustrated the mess our immigration laws are? Not because they are poorly organized, but because the laws are not enforced. If the TEA PARTY has any effect on this major problem, the will be no Comprehensive Immigration Reform (AMNESTY): killing Sanctuary State policies, the Dream Act Amnesty; Chain migration (Amnesty) or anything else that stinks of Amnesty for lawbreakers. That’s why we have millions of illegal aliens pouring into this country, because at some vfuture time, they expect--MASS AMNESTY. It never worked in 1986, so it certainly will not work now? Not because of bad leadership at the borders, but owing to the fact that hundreds of miles in this dangerous territory, the US Border Patrol clashes with stupid, environmental laws imposed by the Bureau of Land Management , Game and Fisheries and Forest, Parks and Public lands.

Rancher Jim Chilton put this lie to rest, by stating to a federal committee, that his 50 miles of border, of which he owns is wide open to the drug traffickers and illegal people smugglers. Jim Chilton added where there is a fence, it is no different to what you see rusting along any highway. In Chilton testimony he explained to the mix of party members, that the people live in fear along the border. If you leave your home it’s likely to get broken into. His own ranch had been burglarized twice and he cannot go outside, unless he is fully armed. So because of land managed laws, the US border Patrol must ask for permission to enter certain areas of land, because of such things as the endangered species Act. While at the same time the criminal surveillance persons have the most expensive binoculars and other equipment to watch the movement of the border patrol. The Border agents are essentially not patrolling along the border fence, where they are needed.

Is there some ominous connection between the drug cartels and why the--REAL--fences, between our southern border and our National security? Does it seem strange to anybody else that after the 2006 Secure Fence Act was enacted, almost within a month funding for the bill was cut drastically and even today not even a single fencing has been completed? If the first steel enforced fence had been constructed, with a second fence, some thousand feet apart, maybe the drug traffickers would have not easy access to the children of America. With "drag roads" as they are called, ( parallel patrol tracks between the fences) between the 15 foot chain link fence, adorned with concertina razor wire, manned by permanent National Guard watchtowers within visible sight of each other. One Republican has sponsored a third fence scenario, which would be even a greater deterrent to the drug and illegal alien invasion.

THE LEFTIST MEDIA WILL NOT DIVULGE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION QUAGMIRE. NOR DID THEY PUBLICIZE THE RANTS, UGLY SLURS AND RACIAL EPITHETS SCREAMED AT THE LAST TEA PARTY RALLY. THEY ARE SHOOTING FOR MILLIONS OF MORE VOTES; EVEN IF THEY ARE ILLEGALLY VOTING IN ELECTIONS? THE CONFERENCE HELD BY OBAMA IS TO PUSH FOR ANOTHER IMMIGRATION REFORM TRAVESTY. NEW YORK MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG JOINED ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER WHO I SUSPECT ARE PART OF THE BUSINESS ORGANIZATION, WHO ARE THERE TO STOP ANY INTERRUPTION OF CHEAP LABOR ENTERING AMERICA.

States that ignore immigration laws, such as Sanctuary California, Nevada, Colorado, Utah, will have endure floods of economic new Arrivals that politicians will force their taxpayers to financially support. Georgia and a few more concerned States will not bare the major money burden of fewer welfare aliens searching for another location to pilfer of public services.

America is in a sorry way under numerous administrations, that have built massive governments agencies and many should be closed down. We are overextended in credit and we must bail ourselves out, by cutting costs to thousands of government agencies. With a rising 14 Trillion dollar deficit, that it’s not going away and all Americans must be prepared to draw in the financial belts. The Obama government must draw out the criminals that are stealing from Medicare and Medicaid. Huge criminal organizations are stealing from taxpayers, with dubious doctors and expensive tests. No matter the fiscal Consequences we must not go above the US debt system, by the leftist democrats using fear. Illegal immigration is not a small issue, as it now has grown out of all proportions and costing us billions every year.

It’s no good expecting the Democrats or the Republicans to dig us out of this mess, as only the TEA PARTY is a growing party, splitting from the wealthy right. They have the empowerment to solve this out-of-control-problem. Visit a local TEA PARTY website no matter what religion, party affiliation, as long as you entered the United States legally.Find out what illegal immigration is costing you. Did you know that you, the taxpayer supports the education for illegal alien children and free health care for the whole family. Do you know that they get priority over US Citizens for low income housing, if they have four children? All these answers and more can be located at NumbersUSA.

cogitoergofay's picture

Rep. Ramsey claims that his legislation will "stop the invasion".

I wholeheartedly disagree.

First, I agree that there is a problem with illegal immigrants. But I believe that the real solution lies with the employers. The Republicans have been careful to minimize the impact on employers while pandering to the constituents. It is the employers who motivate the Mexicans to cross the border and run the risk, in order to make a better living. We don't have the fortitude to what President Eisenhower did-- round them up and drop them off 1,000 miles down the coast. Lock up the illegals but also penalize the employers. This is the ONLY way to stop the problem.

Ramsey's bill has a huge, huge loop hole.

Read from the article above: "The heart of the bill is aimed at keeping illegal immigrants from gaining employment, as it requires all businesses with 10 or more employees to use a computer network run by the federal government to check a job applicant’s immigration status."

If I own a landscaping company, I will just set up 10 separate companies and hire a total of 90 illegals.

This is another example of ineffectual political posturing that simply aims to make the public feel good. It does not address the problem, will not solve the problem and it is probably fraught with poor drafting which will lead to it being invalidated by the courts.

"Stop the invasion"?? Fayette County is being invaded by "illegal immigrants?"

Illegal immigrants are not a "problem" in Fayette County or the rest of Ramsey's district. I cannot figure out how these "illegals" have impacted my life in any negative way. Certainly not enough to justify the type of mean spirited legislation promoted by Ramsey.

Ramsey is just fear mongering to win votes and advance his politcal career.

lion

They are breaking the law. Why do you knucle heads support mexicans being law breakers but no one else. Damn it. Do it legal or get to hell out. So here they come breeding like rabbits, and who pays for the doctor visits. Remember they get paid cash, dont pay taxes and dont file tax returns, they are law breakers.
I will totally support any one of them who apply and become citizens legally, otherwise tag em and send them home.

Who is this that pays them in cash and don't deduct SS and taxes?

Shouldn't the cash payer be arrested---not the worker? He hired an illegal, he failed to pay social security taxes and collect the worker's tax, and he failed to deduct income tax!

They can't apply for citizenship, they have to get into a long, long line in Mexico---about 100 miles long!

Can't you people bother to research this situation just once?

Other people do just that. Why are mexicans so special that they can just walk over and get jobs and be protected. They cost millions of dollars to tax payers in this country. You research it. And yes many employers pay them cash so they can compete cheaper and save lots of money for their company. They threaten them with deportation if they talk. And round no matter what you think they are a major cost to tax payers who actually are citizens here and work. Why do you think criminals target mexicans. They are the ones with the cash. Get it. Can't you people bother to research this situation just once

[quote]Why are mexicans so special that they can just walk over and get jobs and be protected. They cost millions of dollars to tax payers in this country[/quote]

Hispanics are a large CHEAP labor force that American lawbreakers hire, deduct 'taxes' from their checks which employers don't pay since these workers are illegal. A previous contributor explained this. Actually, Normal explained it quite well. It will be interesting to see how the so- called work program (permit) that is included in the Ramsey bill will be implemented. . . And this cheap labor force becomes legal. (Who else will pick the onions, cotton, or work in construction - and not make the cost of these items increase?). Oh well, let's see what the courts say. (Note: Traffic stops will be 'legal' to request proof of citizenship. Hmmmmmmm.)

I like how a Republican member of the Legislative branch can presume to usurp the power of the Judicial branch by decree.

Even more ironic is that Gestapo Matty "borrowed" much of this legislation from his Brothers In Hate in Arizona....the same Arizona that had their "Constitutional" legislation declared <strong>unconstitutional</strong> by a Federal District court judge. (The case is currently making its way through the appeals process, which will eventually allow activist justices Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to "legislate from the bench").

PTC Observer's picture

How would you define and "activist" judge? Don't do so by name but do so by the nature of their rulings.

Certainly you can't believe that they are not all "activist" judges? Can you?

Mike King's picture

We both know Mr Ramsey is a lawyer, and any lawyer knows the Constitution. So, why would we not believe it to be so? Surely you're not challenging his right to his opinion? Are you?

BTW, what's this "Brothers in Hate in Arizona?" Or is this a moniker that you 'opine' to be factual?

or not. Not much more to discuss.

Right! That is not what the protest is about. It's the targeting only one segment of Americans to be 'questioned' regarding their legality. Let's hope the E Verify will stop the lawbreaking employers from participating in this crime. . . .no jobs, fewer 'illegals'.

Observerofu's picture

How or who is targeting only one set?

Do you know if anyone is being stopped on the streets and deported? I see "dayworkers" everyday walking around. I don't see ICE or Police shaking them down. So where do you get your information that only Hispanics are being targeted?
This kind of rhetoric is what causes people to participate in chaos when they really have no idea why.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

[quote]Do you know if anyone is being stopped on the streets and deported?[/quote]

<strong>YES!!</strong> There is a world outside of your 'rightest' view! That is the reason for the protest - and the unanswered question of how one who is a legal citizen WITHOUT a work permit prove he is a citizen using only the drivers license or 'green' card. (both of which have been made illegally for years). Come to the real world of those who live in the margin of our society. . . .and be grateful that you will not be touched by this ridiculous attempt to stop the browning of America. No one will ask you to 'prove' your citizenship. There is another way to handle this problem. If American business did not use illegals as 'cheap' labor and the government over the years had enforced our immigration laws, we would not be in this mess. There are many brown, black, and other than 'white' immigrants who are being granted citizenship every year - and most Americans welcome them - but they cannot be used for 'cheap labor'. Right? Your ignorance of this problem is apparent. THERE ARE HISPANIC AMERICAN CITIZENS!!

[quote]I don't see ICE or Police shaking them down. So where do you get your information that only Hispanics are being targeted?[/quote]

On the corner they are not being targeted because, they are not committing a 'crime' !!! (Kudos to Fayette County law enforcement) Got it? Under Ramsey's bill, a citizen can be asked to prove citizenship at a 'traffic stop'. In California (Pasadena), the drivers of vehicles were cited if they 'picked' up an illegal for 'day work'. (Just like John's should be cited for soliciting prostitutes) Talk what you know oou. Life is good for you - but don't support legislation that makes it difficult for American citizens who don't look like you. The E Verify is a start.

They are also a big drain on society. The majority of them come here not to work, but for a free hand out courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer-

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/19/welfare-tab-children-illegal-... Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County</a>

<cite>Welfare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants cost America's largest county more than $600 million last year, according to a local official keeping tabs on the cost.</cite>

<a href="http://www.themoralliberal.com/2011/04/20/illegal-aliens-get-more-welfar... Aliens Get More Welfare Benefits Than Citizens</a>

<cite>This is the finding of a Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) report stating that a whopping 70 percent of illegal-immigrant households with children receive handouts via a government program. The rate for immigrant households with children overall (both legal and illegal) is 57 percent, versus only 39 percent for such native households.</cite>

They not only drain our resources, they rob and kill our citizens.

With all the robin and killin goin on, maybe we should have an open season until they are all buried? Just go by looks and what work they do.

Maybe we ought to do something about helping them. What do you say? If we built some roads, railroads, bridges, dams, electrical grids, and some housing like we did for vets after WW2, and some factory jobs, maybe they would melt in and spend their salaries?

Which solution fits us as Americans and humans and Christians best?

American, human, Christian? I don’t think Kawfi has a basis to compute the definition of those terms.

Work permits, and rebuilding our infrastructure. JOBS for all in order to remain a productive country. Kawfi, I'm sure, is agreeable to just going by 'looks' and getting rid of all of them by any means necessary. (But your sarcasm goes right over his head - I'm sure.)

You left out something from your first reference:

[quote]Antonovich's figures, though, center on costs generated by American-born children of illegal immigrants. Isabel Alegria, communications director at the California Immigrant Policy Center, said it's "unfair" to roll together costs associated with both illegal immigrants and U.S.-born citizens.[/quote]

This was an interesting point from your second reference:

[quote]Translation: The taxpayers are subsidizing these businesses’ cheap labor.

If immigrants could not receive handouts, the United States would be less appealing and they wouldn’t be as likely to migrate here (admittedly, this wouldn’t deter all of them, but it is a factor). This would put pressure on businesses to offer higher wages, which, in turn, would increase the chances that Americans would take jobs currently held by immigrants. Remember, there are no jobs Americans won’t do — only wages Americans won’t work for[/quote]

NUK_1's picture

The second quote is 100% dead-on.

The unspoken truth is that businesses think that in the name of low prices it's OK to hire illegals and consumers pretty much play along with this thinking. A lot of people are total hypocrites anyway so they feel "deport everyone BUT don't raise prices because now you have to pay a fair wage to legal workers."

Cyclist's picture

I suspect there is a good reason why just over 80% of the world's nations do not observe Jus soli (birthright citizenship).

Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

I wonder how many Aryan/White/Caucasian folks will be questioned by police under Gestapo Matty Ramsey's new law against "Driving While Hispanic"?

PTC Observer's picture

to believe that they can't do this in the absence of this law, why are you so naive?

I never doubted for a moment that police officers can and do single out Hispanics for "special treatment", but prior to Gestapo Matty's new unconstitutional legislation, these police officers never had the flimsiest of a legal basis to do so.

They do now, thanks to Gestapo Matty....and America's descent into fascism continues.

Hitler::Jews
Ramsey::Hispanics

PTC Observer's picture

Hitler::Jews
Ramsey::Hispanics

Bit over the top don't you think?

[quote=PTC Observer]Hitler::Jews
Ramsey::Hispanics
Bit over the top don't you think?[/quote]

Absolutely over the top.

Wretched rhetorical excess is my stock in trade.

After all, someone has to provide a meaningful counter-balance to the <a href="http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5429/garfieldlearnsalessonab.jpg">Tea... hoo-ha</a> around here!

Hitler and Ramsey both rose from obscurity to political prominence by identifying and demonizing certain minorities. It's step 2 on the 12 step road to fascism.

Speaking of Gestapo Matty, didja see he won the legislative "Golden Sleaze" award this year?

Observerofu's picture

Obama and Eric Holder decides what laws they will enforce so I think Ramsey's statement is on solid ground.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

This young man was viewed by some as the most ineffective member in Congress. Some believe he is being used by others who are too 'chicken' or 'politically astute' to be tied to this particular bill. We'll see. He'll either be heralded as the great savior or the great divider. . . but with a minuscule Hispanic vote in Fayette County. - he's the guy who can safely carry this legislation.

Yo's picture

this is purely a waste of time and money. It's typical right wing hypocracy. Get the base excited with some vague explanation. Thankfully for them, most of thier base (tea party included) have zero comprehension or have a Georgia education so they never see the swiss cheese loopholes. "they took our jobs" mentality. It's the RIGHT wing that benifits from illegals from small to medium businesses. We have had 150 years of politicians crying about imigration and it never has been an issue. Like the post above... simply fine the crap out of businesses and it will stop. You fix the problem at the head not at the border. But that will never happen "wink wink"

YO

hutch866's picture

In order of appearance, thier, swiss, benifits, imigration, and then you end the last sentence without a period, and yet you disparage a Georgia education. Gotta laugh man, just gotta laugh.

I yam what I yam

Yo's picture

I almost made a statement at the end of the sentence that I type too fast to spell check...lol

[quote=hutch866]In order of appearance, thier, swiss, benifits, imigration, and then you end the last sentence without a period, and yet you disparage a Georgia education. Gotta laugh man, just gotta laugh.[/quote]

YO

Yo's picture

I almost made a statement at the end of the sentence that I type too fast to spell check...lol

[quote=hutch866]In order of appearance, thier, swiss, benifits, imigration, and then you end the last sentence without a period, and yet you disparage a Georgia education. Gotta laugh man, just gotta laugh.[/quote]

YO

Ramsey is NOT n congress. He is in the State House of Representatives. Who will pick the onions, etc? Who did the picking before all the illegals came along? You may think they are cheap labor, but what about the costs free medical care, free education for their children, food stamps, section 8 housing, and the list goes on and on. They are not cheap labor. They are LAW BREAKERS.

Yo's picture

law breakers... that we freely (government/big business) let into our country. I'm sure you are ok with our investment in Iraq and Afghanistan ala Dubya. They get all the formentioned from uncle sam too.

Fine the businesses... the problem ends. We wouldn't pay unless there was a benifit... that's called common sense. Charge $5000 for a traffic ticket... I guarantee that you won't speed.

Or we can do what makes America great.... make the path to citizenship easier by offering a gateway or path for immigrants that makes sense. Our country has had a history of "illegals" and we have always overcome once a generation is established. Racism and a lack education drives this... hell, high schoolers get off easier... no test

... and without education, they become the next generation of thoughtless racists...

[quote=Old Simon]Ramsey is NOT n congress. He is in the State House of Representatives. Who will pick the onions, etc? Who did the picking before all the illegals came along? You may think they are cheap labor, but what about the costs free medical care, free education for their children, food stamps, section 8 housing, and the list goes on and on. They are not cheap labor. They are LAW BREAKERS.[/quote]

YO

Now that the crops are coming in Gov AnyDeal has ask the new Repug Ag-Commish to look into how this will impact GA farmers in harvesting their crops. Gary says he'll get back to him July 10th. I am betting that someone in the brain trust comes up w/ the urban unemployed be put to workin' in the field to collect that check. I am starting a screen play of what that bus from ATL looks like when it unloads in Vidalia. I know what I know about choppin' cottin, pic'n peppers & I don't even like to eat sweet onyons. AND I grew up in rural Coweta. Now if you wanna light Ford tractor driver...

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