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Woman attacked, robbed at Fayette Pavilion

Fayetteville Police are looking for a suspect who attacked a Fayetteville woman Saturday morning in the parking lot of the Kohl’s department store located at the Fayette Pavilion.

The April 27 incident occurred at approximately 10:07 a.m. as the customer exited her vehicle and walked towards the door, said Det. Mike Whitlow.

Whitlow said the woman was approached by a black male, 16-20 years of age, 5’7”-5’9” in height and a very thin build. The man was wearing black pants, a black shirt over a red shirt, black shoes and a black baseball cap with a red bill and logo, Whitlow added.

Whitlow said the man grabbed the victim by the collar and threw her to the ground. He then took her purse and fled, running north through the Kohl’s parking lot toward Pavilion Parkway. The victim suffered injuries to her arm and neck. She was treated at the scene by paramedics, said Whitlow.

The incident at Kohl’s was captured on store video and the suspect was seen walking in the store prior to the robbery, Whitlow said.

Fayetteville Police and Fayette County deputies searched the area but were unable to locate the suspect. Fayetteville Police believe he may have had a vehicle waiting in the Dick’s parking lot and may have tried to rob someone there a few minutes before he walked to Kohl’s, Whitlow said.

Anyone with information is urged to contact Det. Mike Whitlow at 770-461-4441.

Below are composite security camera shots of the suspect.

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kcchiefandy's picture

...Gov't bureaucracies have no such commitment to their employees; it's all about cow-towing to the policies...what's 'right' means nothing, because what's right IS the policies in place.

I respect your opinion of the army - but I know too many men and women who chose AGH's way. . . Wasn't easy I'm sure, but they were highly respected.

Ethics/knowing right from wrong -each individual has to live with his/her own conscience. Doing the right thing is not always easy- but looking back on over 40 tears in the work environment, I think one sleeps better when choosing the ethical way. It's not easy.

Poverty itself does not compel one to crime. Indeed, most people (poor, middle, or rich) do NOT commit crime. My earlier post was merely a response to PTC Avenger's statistical rundown of blacks populating crime-ridden areas. Avenger's point seemed to be that being black was more likely to cause criminal behavior. Actually, being poor is more likely to be associated with criminal behavior (and a lot of black people happen to be poor). It is inappropriate for ANYONE to commit criminal behavior, and I see no justification for criminal acts. However, Avenger's statistics leave out a very important variable in the causation aspect of his equation.

Oh really? Then perhaps you can explain to me why the Appalachia Mountain region, an overwhelmingly white region struck with some of the most abject poverty in the country, sees a crime rate significantly lower than those of other regions with *ahem* diverse populations?

I'll wait for your erudite response.

You're enabling the criminals by taking one thing and calling it another. "It's not criminality, it's poverty" you say. Those who can see know the truth.

There is a rise in crime in Appalachia, but when there isn't much to steal - why bother? Crime is higher in urban/metropolitan areas. Blacks from the south, after the civil war, did not go to Appalachia looking for a better life or employment. The black families who live in Fayette County do not represent the domestic terrorists that are committing crime. No one is denying the statistics. Statistics say that a white man may molest my grandchildren, but that doesn't mean my white neighbor in FC is a child molester. It is intimated that all blacks in the Pavilion are not from FC and are criminals. That's the 'speak' of ignorant, antiquated separatists who are afraid of losing their last claim to superiority - being white.

Avenger, your characterization of the conclusions of my posts is quite erroneous. I did not posit that poverty compels crime nor does it excuse crime. My point is that variables affecting the volume of crime in any area are quite diverse and venture far beyond skin pigment. Your argument that the paucity of crime in a white rural outpost confirms a positive ethnic bias may be more reasonably explained by the widespread finding that crime is perpetrated much more prevalently in dense, urban areas. In fact the FBI has identified the following factors “known to affect the volume and type of crime occurring from place to place.”

• Population density and degree of urbanization.
• Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration.
• Stability of the population with respect to residents’ mobility, commuting patterns, and transient factors.
• Modes of transportation and highway system.
• Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability.
• Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics.
• Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness.
• Climate.
• Effective strength of law enforcement agencies.
• Administrative and investigative emphases of law enforcement.
• Policies of other components of the criminal justice system (i.e., prosecutorial, judicial, correctional, and probational).
• Citizens’ attitudes toward crime.
• Crime reporting practices of the citizenry.

It may be true that the dangerous neighborhoods you have identified are largely populated by African Americans; however, skin color does not constitute the primary distinguishing feature of these enclaves. My point is merely that a set of complex variables influence crime and defy exclusive, simplistic explanations.

people dont commit crime because they are poor. They are poor becasue they commit crimes. Their socio-economic status is one of their own making. Yes, the correlation for high-crime and high-poverty levels tends to be high, but its a mistake to assume that one fact is not causing the other. Bleeding-heart liberals will always try to explain the crime away by saying the poverty drove them to it, and "oh! if only theyd had more opportunity!!!" The hard nosed-conservatives will say so what, thats no excuse. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Speaking in generalizations here, you said that people of means rarely commit crimes. I'm sure thats true. But the corrollary of that staement is also true. People who commit crimes rarely become people of means. The reson high crime areas are also high poverty is becasue (generally speaking) everyone who was going to do something with their life and make something of themselves and NOT become career criminals already left those areas. They didn't want to be around crime either. The concentration and distillation of people who activly engage in criminal lifestyles is the result. They don't go to grad school and get great jobs or start (Legal) buisinesses. They subsist of government assistance and prey on their neighbors. You don't exactly get a W-2 from the pawn shop when you hock a stolen flat-screen, do you?! These people are always going to be poor, because they decided long ago they'd never work a real job. Im on board with aboandoning the Pavillion. I say the best revenge is living well, outside their reach. Let the kuroshio have it. Too late to stop it now anyway.

Renault, a reading of my posts will uncover no excuses for criminal enterprises based on socioeconomic status or any other variables. I am not pleading for sympathy for law-breakers. I am asking thoughtful readers to consider the complexity of variables associated with willful criminality instead of blaming crime exclusively on ethnic factors as PTC Avenger suggested in his original post. His simplistic explanation that dark skin pigmentation causes criminal behavior ignores many intervening variables (some of which you have identified).

Don't forget about La Parilla getting robbed and the armed robbery and br eak in at Atlanta Bread. I have been working in the pavilion for thre last 8 years and have seen huge changes in the clientele. Buisness has gone done especially at night, and you don't feel safe being therr late. Another big change is the kind of people applying for the jobs. Fayetteville has recently put aux police into the pavilion on the weekends so lets see if that helps. Quite honestly, fayetteville can probobly hire 2 more officers with the revenue from stop sign violations in the pavilion if they wdre there. As a person who does work inside, it would be nice to see more police as you do not really see them often. Even with that police station building there...they stop in and leave...its really just fire. Its a shame. Fayetteville is a great city with a great history and reaidents, something needs to be done before it turna worse. ButI do feel that avoiding thr Pavilion is not going to help either, because small businesses like mine can no t stay open without customers. Then me as a fayette resident will loose everything, then u will have more and more empty stores. So avoiding the pavilion really isn't helping either. Its not just walmart in tgere with where 90% of their employees are worthless and rude and corporate owned, theirs the small business people like myself trying to support my family who gets affected aswell. I'm not a professional commenter and I'm doing this on my phone so there is typos...but I hope my point gets accross.

Thanks for sharing your perspective.

Don't forget about La Parilla getting robbed and the armed robbery and br eak in at Atlanta Bread. I have been working in the pavilion for thre last 8 years and have seen huge changes in the clientele. Buisness has gone done especially at night, and you don't feel safe being therr late. Another big change is the kind of people applying for the jobs. Fayetteville has recently put aux police into the pavilion on the weekends so lets see if that helps. Quite honestly, fayetteville can probobly hire 2 more officers with the revenue from stop sign violations in the pavilion if they wdre there. As a person who does work inside, it would be nice to see more police as you do not really see them often. Even with that police station building there...they stop in and leave...its really just fire. Its a shame. Fayetteville is a great city with a great history and reaidents, something needs to be done before it turna worse. ButI do feel that avoiding thr Pavilion is not going to help either, because small businesses like mine can no t stay open without customers. Then me as a fayette resident will loose everything, then u will have more and more empty stores. So avoiding the pavilion really isn't helping either. Its not just walmart in tgere with where 90% of their employees are worthless and rude and corporate owned, theirs the small business people like myself trying to support my family who gets affected aswell. I'm not a professional commenter and I'm doing this on my phone so there is typos...but I hope my point gets accross.

Unfortunately, this discussion has been fruitless because all anyone wants to do is compain and assign blame. That is why places that were as pleasant as Fayetteville at one time go to pot. Everyone sits back and waits for someone else to do something about it while they moan and complain and point fingers.
Having lived in 2 major American metropolitan areas before landing here, I have experienced the following: Fact-Crime comes with big cities. Fact-The big city with its crime has grown right into our community. Fact- People who have lived in the community for years react in one of three ways - a)they run scared thereby leaving room for the criminal element to move in; or b)they sit back and watch it happen and expect someone else to handle the problems; or c) they learn what they can do to make their community stronger, safer and livable.
I choose to be a "c" kind of resident and not a victim of big city sprawl.
You want cops in the Pavilion, lobby and push your government to make it happen. You want to be left alone by the criminals? Stop acting like victims..be aware of your surroundings- walk with an air of confidence, don't shop alone at night, dont put yourself in dangerous situations,and fight back! (An attacker is always going to take the path of least resistance.)
Just my 2 cents...from someone who has seen it all before.

RKS's picture

[quote=cats119]Unfortunately, this discussion has been fruitless because all anyone wants to do is compain and assign blame. That is why places that were as pleasant as Fayetteville at one time go to pot. Everyone sits back and waits for someone else to do something about it while they moan and complain and point fingers.
Having lived in 2 major American metropolitan areas before landing here, I have experienced the following: Fact-Crime comes with big cities. Fact-The big city with its crime has grown right into our community. Fact- People who have lived in the community for years react in one of three ways - a)they run scared thereby leaving room for the criminal element to move in; or b)they sit back and watch it happen and expect someone else to handle the problems; or c) they learn what they can do to make their community stronger, safer and livable.
I choose to be a "c" kind of resident and not a victim of big city sprawl.
You want cops in the Pavilion, lobby and push your government to make it happen. You want to be left alone by the criminals? Stop acting like victims..be aware of your surroundings- walk with an air of confidence, don't shop alone at night, dont put yourself in dangerous situations,and fight back! (An attacker is always going to take the path of least resistance.)
Just my 2 cents...from someone who has seen it all before.[/quote]

Can you elaborate on item C?

I really doubt this woman thought she was putting herself in a dangerous situation by shopping at 10 am on a Saturday morning. I really doubt the woman who was raped last week in Tyrone thought that going to the store in mid-day was putting herself in a dangerous situation. I really doubt that the two ladies who went to visit a friend at a nursing home mid morning on a weekday thought that there would be anything dangerous about parking in a parking lot of a nursing home and going in for a visit. I could go on and on about the crime of the last couple of years to people who were merely going about their daily routines/shopping, etc. So, I don't know that I can buy into what you are saying will deter crime.

Fighting back can get you killed....if someone grabs your purse, your are better off letting them have it so they don't pop a cap in your head. What makes you think this woman wasn't walking with an air of confidence?

S. Lindsey's picture

Also being a meek victim can do it as well.. As for me and my wife we are armed EVERYWHERE we go...

Some punk grabs her purse (which she doesn't carry) a metaphor if you will... he won't have to worry about who sends rounds downrange at him, it will be both of us...

Tell that to the Rape victim RKS.. Don't fight back just lay there and let it happen... NOT.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

RKS's picture

[quote=S. Lindsey]Also being a meek victim can do it as well.. As for me and my wife we are armed EVERYWHERE we go...

Some punk grabs her purse (which she doesn't carry) a metaphor if you will... he won't have to worry about who sends rounds downrange at him, it will be both of us...

Tell that to the Rape victim RKS.. Don't fight back just lay there and let it happen... NOT.[/quote]

I wasn't referring to rape victims, I was referring to purse grabbers and the such at The Pavillion.

S. Lindsey's picture

...making it easy for the Criminals only encourage them.

Your Statement of "don't fight back" is not one I recommend.

Women should always resist... NEVER just allow "it" to happen to them. Whatever "it" is...

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

G35 Dude's picture

[quote]Fighting back can get you killed...[/quote]

Yes as can not fighting back. And not fighting back will cause an increase in crime as criminals will continue to feed where the feeding is easy. More police will help but will not stop the problem alone. Face it, there is a certain group that killed Shannon Mall, then moved to Southlake and killed it. Now they are here. Increased private security will increase cost and kill the business in the Pavilion just as surely as the increase in crime. Most people will just go elsewhere in either instance. So what can we do? My suggestions:

1. Place plain clothed undercover police in the Pavilion.
2. Don't shop alone. At least not for a while.
3. If you have a weapon and know how to use it carry it.
4. If you see something suspicious report it.
5. Place emergency phones and camera's in the parking lots.
6. Staff the Fire/police station with a patrol car and police.
7. Pass a law against loud music and hanging pants and let the police enforce it.

Make it a place that these people don't want to be. It's either this or run again and rest assured these thugs will follow.

You can't use logic with an illogical person.

PTC Observer's picture

Why should we have to do all this when we can simply shop somewhere safer?

Why should we risk bodily harm when picking up milk in the middle of the day?

It is up to the Pavilion to convince us that they have their crime problem under control. They are in business to satisfy customer wants and needs. This includes being able to use their property safely. If they can do this, then we will shop somewhere else. It's up to them to figure out how to do it. It's up to their customers to be rational when shopping by weighing all the risks and rewards of using their campus.

G35 Dude's picture

As I noted in my post above there seems to be a certain group that is "following the money" so to speak. When we abandon the Pavilion and go elsewhere they will follow as they did from Shannon and Southlake. As for many of my suggestions above where personal action is advocated, I'd advocate those actions anywhere in today's world. But you are correct in that it's up to you to choose.

You can't use logic with an illogical person.

PTC Observer's picture

Most people choose to be more safe than less safe. You are correct that criminals will simply follow the money. That's what predators do. This is why we have high crime areas, "transitional areas" and low crime areas. I also think it has something to do with population density but that's just an opinion. Have you ever seen rats in an overcrowded cage? They eat each other.

So, at the end of the day it is all about who survives and who doesn't. I submit that people are rational and they will simply move away from crime. Your "solutions" at best will only delay the outcome but it won't stop it.

DM intention is good, but she is mistaken that a "united" community can stop it. People that subsist on government have distorted values and it is generational in nature. Having a government to "make life easy", corrupts the soul, it steals dignity, it shuns personal responsibility in favor of dependency. In this government sponsored dependent world it is a way of life to simply take and not work.

You appear to be pretty rational, what will you do when you home is broken into, your wife robbed at gunpoint or you are car jacked? You know what you will do. You won't put up with it.

A united community and country stopped the growth of the KKK
A united community and country stopped frequent drive bys by whites in black communities.

The shame of communities and our country is allowing our enemy to use our Achilles Heel (race relations) to get Americans to fight one another. The populations in Fayette County is White- 72.7%; Black - 20.8%. The change in population from April 2010 - July-2012 is 0 .9%. The median household income is $81,498. Persons below the poverty level - 2007/2011 (5.9%)

This is a community of 'the haves' being attacked by the 'have nots'. There has been no grand sale of government purchased homes in Fayette County for Section 8 participants. The homes that are being built now will not be sold to those who can't qualify for a loan. At present, homes are selling and home prices are 'sneaking up'. We may have to again pay a higher property tax due to the increased value of our homes after the loss of value during the recession.

The crime in the urban areas are not race related but gang/thugs preying on their own. We can fight back by not acting like victims. Yes, there are those who would make this a race hatred thing, and the news media will love it! It hurts to see Channel 2 and some here to completely ignore that some of the citizens here that are not white have the same concerns regarding their familiy's security as all citizens. The thugs/ criminals are equal opportunity predators. We're all subject to being attacked. The idea that a diverse American community in 2013 cannot unite to protect itself is the enemies dream come true. A strong,diverse, Christian-based southern community in 2013 cannot be a victim!

The home invader, according to The Citizen sketch, did not fit the usual predator profile.
I feel there are more citizens who realize that we are not being attacked by our neighbors. Don't allow racism to separate Fayette County neighbors. This community can work together by putting into action some of the suggestions that have been shared here. Business leaders, church leaders, community leaders, citizens - working together with law enforcement - we shouldn't have to give up local convenient shopping to feel safe.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/13113.html

If it's not race related, then explain why I am 18 times more likely to be the victim of a crime perpetrated by a black person than a white person. You can sing your Koom-bye-yah mantra about joining together all you want, DM. These thugs grew up with a parent that doesn't care about them - why should we? The chance that this particular coward that mugged the lady at Kohls grew up with only one parent in the household is very high. We now pay for free contraception and abortions for the takers- I sure wish they would avail themselves of it instead of having babies just to get more welfare, only to turn them loose on the public at a later age.

What we need is much stiffer penalties for crime and more prisons. Anyone convicted of a crime such as this should be sentenced to a minimum of 5 years of hard labor. 12 hours a day of nothing but digging holes or breaking rocks in swealtering heat for the entire sentence. Now THAT would be a deterrent to crime. Our prisons have become nothing but resorts for these thugs to carry out even more crime. If we subject them to hard labor with no parole, they might think twice before mugging little old ladies.

But no, the bedwetters on the left will cry that it is a human rights violation to subject criminals to hard labor. They are more interested in protecting the criminal than the victims. Just look how the obama administration protected the Boston bomber and stated after less than 48 hours that he acted alone. obama has an affinity for Muslim terrorists and he wants to protect them, especially if they are harming Americans.

[Quote]If it's not race related, then explain why I am 18 times more likely to be the victim of a crime perpetrated by a black person than a white person. You can sing your Koom-bye-yah mantra about joining together all you want, DM[/quote]

If you find yourself in a black neighborhood that is populated by those who have been bombarded with your hateful, separatist, ignorant rhetoric, I would guess that you would be attacked. Your neighbors in Fayette County are under the same attack as you, regardless of their color. We almost had a shameful race war some 40 years ago, but non-violent action prevented that throughout our country. Obviously there are miscreants of all colors who would love to see violence and a divided America based on ethnicity. There are leaders in American communities who are trying to prevent this.

There are those with kindred tastes and incomes in our country who seem to be able to get along regardless of color. It is obvious that there are conservatives and liberals of all colors. There are those who are separatists of all colors. There are haters of all colors, This country can not allow the ignorant separatists and haters speak for the United States.

Mr. Kawfi, I am black. I am also 18 times more likely to be the victim of a crime perpetrated by a black person than a white person here in Georgia. I am female - so I am even more at risk than you, a male. The majority of our citizens in FC are not criminals. If the non-criminals do not join together, the criminals will win. I and many of my neighbors can shop elsewhere. Americans don't give in to terrorists - and criminals are domestic terrorists IMO. You and Atwater will be defeated in 2013 and the future. - Americans will deal with the actions of the perpetrator. Even this old black woman has learned that today not all white men in pick-up trucks are the enemy.

S. Lindsey's picture

[quote=Davids mom]

If you find yourself in a black neighborhood that is populated by those who have been bombarded with your hateful, separatist, ignorant rhetoric, I would guess that you would be attacked.[/quote]

I would not attack you, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson or even Crazy Louie. Why would a White guy in a Black neighborhood be attacked simply because his OPINION is viewed as wrong?

You see DM right there you have illustrated what the problem is... Tolerance or the lack thereof.

This is why a Councilwoman in New York is offended over a black stick figure on a quilt...this is why you call racist anyone with a opposing viewpoint.

Why is it the people that always calls for "Tolerance" are generally the most intolerant?

How is it that a United Community did all the things you said but yet cannot stop the killings in the Black Community and the drive by shootings by gangs?

Reality flies in the face of your statements.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

I don't call you a racist because of your conservative viewpoints on economic issues, I call you a racist because of your not so subtle racist attitude towards those who have identified themselves as 'black'. I see you as an insecure, intellectually challenged individual who is also racist. You see me as the same. So be it. I only counter your arguments to have another point of view represented. I really don't have to do that any longer since there are others who express an opinion opposite to yours. We have developed a mutual disrespect for one another. So be it.

S. Lindsey's picture

...however I have yet to be challenged intellectually by you yet.

I still wish you would show just one racist comment I have made...I have asked this of you for over a year...what attitude is it that makes me a racist in your view...is it my disagreeing with you maybe? Oh well, maybe one day you might find one, after all as you state America is a racist Country. So you should be able to dig something up I am sure.

Still would like to know why Joe would be attacked in a black neighborhood just for his opinions.. want to answer that one?

Yeah...didn't think so..

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

S. Lindsey's picture

...just for voicing his opinions...?

I really would like your thoughts on this one. Would you also be expected to be attacked in a predominantly White neighborhood? BTW-I mean in 2013 not 1950.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

Don't expect an answer. These questions are just too hard for someone as mentally challenged as Davids Mom to answer with any semblence of reason. Pity her, but try not to get too mad at her. She's just spouting off the hate that she learned growing up. I'm still waiting for a cogent answer as to why I am 18 times more likely to get attacked by a black person than a white person and how anyone could not think that there is some racial aspect to it. Her answer is always to basically say that 'everyone is doing it' and try to assign some twisted form of moral equivelancy to it.

S. Lindsey's picture

...honestly I don't expect her to answer. When I back her in the corner either I get called a racist, she goes kum-bah-yah or she swears off ever answering me... (which she never does anyway).

I do find it amazing that for a person who comes on here for the "STATED" purpose of bringing race into this discussion fears talking about it so much.

You see she really doesn't want a open and honest discussion...no she wants to subtly place blame. The problem is we are so far removed from 1865 as a society yet she is still fighting the fight from the 1950's.

60 years later she is still carrying the torch keeping alive the old feelings, the old wrongs.

In the next decade or two these old race dinosaurs like her, Sharpton and Crazy Louie will go away... With no real race hawkers to replace them maybe our children will finally be able to grow up in a truly race blind society where it is <strong>NOT about the color of your skin but the content of your character. </strong>

Someone truly amazing said that...shame so few really listened.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

You have made it obvious that you have no intention of bringing any harmony to a difficult discussion. There have been excellent comments - not always agreeing with me - about race relations. There is an excellent discussion going on about fighting domestic terrorism in Fayette County. You can continue your desire to appear academically and intellectually superior to all who don't agree with you - but the sincere discussion will continue.

Answer to Joe Kawfi; (which is being quoted here again, since he missed it in a previous contribution)

[quote]Mr. Kawfi, I am black. I am also 18 times more likely to be the victim of a crime perpetrated by a black person than a white person here in Georgia. I am female - so I am even more at risk than you, a male.[/quote]

Answer to SL:

[quote]If you find yourself in a black neighborhood that is populated by those who have been bombarded with your hateful, separatist, ignorant rhetoric, I would guess that you would be attacked.[/quote]

You have attacked with words. I would never want to be in your presence – and I can’t think of any situation at this point in my life where I would be at any event that you would find entertaining or informational.

My question wasn't related to who would be attacked. The question was, why am is it that I am 18 times more likely to be attacked by a black person than by a white person'? You didn't answer the question the first time, and you refuse to answer it now.

You won't provide a cogent response because you know the answer. You just obfuscate with typical bedwetting liberal blather about how everyone is subject to being attacked.

You refuse to answer the question and what do you do instead? You make a pathetically lame attempt to belittle Steve and I because you have painted yourself into a corner and don't like the answer to the question. You attack like a good little Alinskyite.

You still have not quoted one racist comment by S. Lindsey. The elephant is in the room, DM - you just refuse to acknowledge it. So, GFY.

Sorry Joe, this applies to you too.

[Quote:]
If you find yourself in a black neighborhood that is populated by those who have been bombarded with your hateful, separatist, ignorant rhetoric, I would guess that you would be attacked.[/quote]

Regarding S Lindsey/Lindly or whatever:

Unfortunately - not all of his comments have been 'stuck in 'being moderated'. I am not going to repeat his inane, not so subtle racist comments. After all - who am I to correct someone who is 100% correct?

S. Lindsey's picture

and until you can do so.. you are a bigot. Plain and simple.

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

All I ask is one DM...Just one. One comment that you say is racist...One comment or opinion that you deem racist.

It must be easy DM since as you say I am a racist and I have been posting for about 5 years should be real easy.

You see DM if you can't do it... and I know you can't then you are simply using ad hominem attacks to deflect who is really the one with a racial issue.

Anyone who states "America is a Racist Country" like you did is indicative of one who has what we used to call "a chip on their shoulder".. and yours DM is a log.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

S. Lindsey's picture

Still another none answer... First please quote me on my "attacks" I assume you mean towards you..Please reference the quote and give us a link... I can bet anything you want that if what you call an "attack" was a response to you who threw the first stone or simply was a post in juxtaposition to yours.

You confuse debate for attacks often... So as the old saying goes can't stand the heat...yada yada yada...

So back to the original question... Why would someone like Joe just because he has a certain opinion be attacked for that opinion in a Black Neighborhood?

I can guarantee you... you would not be so attacked in my neighborhood so...

Oh and btw- you would be surprised what events we have in common... but considering how "tolerant" you are you may be right...

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

RKS's picture

Reality is, after the Olympics came, the trash and the crime came to Clayton County and it trickled right down GA HY 85 to Fayetteville. I will not put myself at risk by going to the Pavillion on a Saturday morning and shop, risking that I could be killed or maimed for life at the hands of a thug. Everyone says pull together, but what's there to do? Truth is, Fayettedale is having the same thing happen that Riverdale and Jonesboro did. The trash moves in and the good people move out. Now, they are all three becoming the ghetto. It is what it is.

For discussions sake: I and other minorities who live in Fayette County do not like being called 'trash'. There is not a lot of low cost housing in Fayetteville like was established in Clayton County before the Olympics. Middle class blacks also left parts of Clayton County. To my understanding, they have lived here peacefully and coopertively among their neighbors for many years. (20% of the population). Fayette County, (Fayetteville) with it's reputation of the 50's, can now be considered a role model for Americans living and working together. Why are there a 'few' on this site who fear this new nomenclature? The teenagers in our high schools are right - they are living the American dream - and they are truly judging their colleagues by their actions and not the color of their skin. Yes, there are those who will bring to the forefront destructive ideas that will have us return to the practices of the '50's. . . .so that these destructive ideas cannot take hold and prevent progress in race relations in the 21st century.

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[quote=Davids mom]For discussions sake: I and other minorities who live in Fayette County do not like being called 'trash'. There is not a lot of low cost housing in Fayetteville like was established in Clayton County before the Olympics. Middle class blacks also left parts of Clayton County. To my understanding, they have lived here peacefully and coopertively among their neighbors for many years. (20% of the population). Fayette County, (Fayetteville) with it's reputation of the 50's, can now be considered a role model for Americans living and working together. Why are there a 'few' on this site who fear this new nomenclature? The teenagers in our high schools are right - they are living the American dream - and they are truly judging their colleagues by their actions and not the color of their skin. Yes, there are those who will bring to the forefront destructive ideas that will have us return to the practices of the '50's. . . .so that these destructive ideas cannot take hold and prevent progress in race relations in the 21st century.[/quote]

Read my post, I did NOT call you "trash". When I said the trash moved to Clayton County, I never indicated a color.

RKS's picture

Not all of us bedwetters think the way you generalize. Reality is, violent crimes are done by mostly minorities and the white collar high tech crimes are mostly done by the majority race.

On the one hand you want to take away free contraception and access to abortions and then on the other hand, you want them to take advantage of it.

There is a very serious disconnect in this country that people become "parents" and don't teach their children to become good citizens, who in turn make babies and repeat the process. I don't know if more prisons is the answer, but it would be nice for people to get a little bit morality - and that doesn't have to come from churches.

This bedwetter has no problem with prisoners doing hard work. This bedwetter is NOT more interested in protecting them than the victims.

So, again, stop generalizing, JK - not all bedwetters are as bad as you think we are.

RKS, I have noticed the paradoxical nature of the vituperation of people who offer any opinion other than radical right-wing ideology on this blog as “bedwetters.” Assuming that a bedwetter is a disparaging designation for an immature person (one too young to control his bladder throughout the night), the invective is amusing. Fundamentalists on either end of the political, religious, ideological, etc. spectrum cannot tolerate the cognitive dissonance that arises from consideration of the complexity that attends a thorough examination of modern culture and thought. Aspersion of critical thinkers with a term indicating immaturity renders the denunciation laughable to all but the fundamentalists who, unknowingly, are ridiculing no one other than themselves.

[Quote]Aspersion of critical thinkers with a term indicating immaturity renders the denunciation laughable to all but the fundamentalists who, unknowingly, are ridiculing no one other than themselves.[/quote]

To denigrate appears to be easier than to make a meaningful response. I appreciate those who have expressed their opinion without denigration. It's not always easy in this discussion.

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Wrong again DM, it was enforcement of the law that did those things. Law enforcement requires resources and the federal government provided those resources including the National Guard and the federal judicial system to enforce the law.

This is a different matter, people will move because it is rational to move. People simply want to feel safe where they live and shop. There won't be any massive influx of police to rid us of the scourge, it will become a loosing proposition. This has been shown time after time after time, you merely need to look at most of the urban city areas to see it. To deny this fact is to deny reality.....which I might add you're pretty good at doing. Go ahead and stick your finger in the dike, it can't hurt, but it certainly won't stop it either.

Do I like it? Of course not, but it is reality nonetheless.

Can you explain why you think the urbanization of Fayette County will be any different? Would you pick up your family and move to Clayton County? Fulton County? No you moved here because it was safe and a welcoming community. Now we have random acts of violence that we did not see before, these acts will increase in numbers and frequency and if you are rational you will move. You may deny reality but in the end I think you are rational.

I have witnessed 'white flight' in the 50's and '60's in LA. Middle class blacks moved into middle class neighborhoods and the whites ran to the ocean and/or the valley. Today, those middle class neighborhoods which were maintained, are now being integrated with middle class whites who want to live closer to the city - and know the difference between skin color and character. Homes that sold for 20-40 thousand dollars in the mid fifties, are now being sold for 1 million. These neighborhoods are integrated and developing into united communities. Yes, they employ Neighborhood Watch techniques and additional security - but that is the reality of urban living today. FC is adjacent to a metropolitan community. It is a suberb- with all the advantages and disadvantages. It is known throughout GA as a middle class community. As long as leaders/planners do not allow low cost housing to dominate this county, it will remain middle class, regardless of the color of the occupants. After WWII, whites ran from some established neighborhoods in Atlanta. The black community has maintained those beautiful areas for over 50 years - and now some whites want to purchase homes there. Yes, there is reverse racism present. . . But soon there will be integration in the Cascades. Some of you need to take a ride through Country Lakes. You may see a home you like and in this market get a good deal. (If you don't mind black neighbors who have pride in their homes.). That's a reality that I have lived. The 20% of FC's population are not terrorists or represent the 5% that are on welfare in this county. Check it out. Now if this community cannot continue the unity that I have witnessed here in some churches, some organizations, some neighborhoods - then this is not the America that many envision. What happened yesteryear is not the path that the younger generation wishes to take.

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I thought we were talking about crime, not race?

Is there some connection in your mind?

My comments are made solely on the basis of rational people doing rational things, like staying safe where they work, live and shop.

Dependency on government is equal opportunity, isn't it?

Read Kawfi's contribution.

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Why would I want to do that?

Look DM, it doesn't matter why crime happens, we can debate that all day long. My comments are about what people do in response to crime.

They are rational.

I did offer an opinion on cause but it's merely an opinion.

Now go put your finger in the dike.

The black community has maintained those beautiful areas for over 50 years? I'm sorry but you are delusional. I grew up in Clayton County. I know first hand what happens to communities. I now see it happening in Fayetteville. It makes me really sad to admit this but I think our city is done. The Clayton County cars we see parked all throughout the Pavillion have turned our shopping center into a crime-ridden, undesirable place. I know for a fact that the decent, hard working people in this city are driving an extra 20 minutes to shop in PTC. Believe me, I'm not happy about this one bit. To say that it makes me sad to lose Fayetteville is an understatement. But the folks who now travel to PTC aren't coming back, no matter what happens at the Pavillion to deter crime. The Pavillion now belongs to Riverdale. Period.

Just visit Country Lakes. Clayton County is history. As I look at my neighbors children playing peacefully on our street, and our neighbors working together to keep our community safe, I realize that your caliber of American will run - so as not to be associated with those they consider 'underclass'. Bye! With the infusion of college students and the movie industry, property values will go up as well as the caliber of citizen. Bye Kem, you'll be out of place in an integrated middle class southern community in the 21st century.

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Country Lakes has done well in maintaining its home values and that is no doubt a testament to the homeowners there. The problem is that your surrounding neighborhoods are Nothridge(ugh), Lafayette Estates(went to hell long ago) and Dix-Lee'On(once great, now pretty so-so). The whole area surrounding it is NOT thriving, DM, and hasn't for quite a while.

The biggest problem is Country Lakes and the other other subdivisions sit right next to the line of Fayette, Clayton and Fulton. Old National Highway. An abysmal strip shopping center right there with a bar that seems to attract thugs instead of decent people. Even the churches are griping about how their parking lots adjacent to that shopping center are being used.

Hang around and fight the good fight, DM, and good luck. I'd get the hell out of there before the property values crash like they have in the surrounding subdivisions for several years. It's coming to that whole area and I don't see any way to stop it without erecting a barrier right at the Fayette Co line and 314 that would stretch up to the Clayton Co line.

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