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Big hike in PTC traffic citations, warnings

The number of vehicles pulled over by Peachtree City police officers has drastically increased between this year and last.

According to city records, the total number of pullovers has increased from 5,208 at this time last year to 9,482 this year. That’s an 89 percent increase.

Not surprisingly, the department is also issuing more citations than last year: 62 percent more. And while 4,993 citations have been issued this year the department has issued 6,371 warnings, a 100 percent increase.

So far this year, the 62 percent increase in citations hasn’t led to a subsequent payday in fines collected from municipal court. Year to date fines collected are up only 12.4 percent, with an increase of $148,409 compared to last year.

Councilman Eric Imker questioned the spike in traffic stops at Thursday night’s City Council meeting.

Police Chief H.C. “Skip” Clark said the increase was intentional as officers are beefing up their visibility in an effort to deter criminal activity.

“We’re working more aggressively in traffic enforcement because there’s a direct correlation in crime reduction,” Clark said. “... When you have greater visibility in traffic enforcement you have a greater reduction in crime. That’s the model we’re actually following right now.”

The city has seen a significant drop in burglaries year to date with just 15 compared to 27 at this point last year. Overall theft numbers are also down with 184 this year compared to 263 last year.

Surprisingly, despite the drastic increase in traffic stops, the city’s arrests on traffic offenses are down slightly this year, at 207 compared to 241 last year.

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Seems a bit much.

Maybe they were all contractor's "employees" and from Clayton and Fulton?

35,000 plus another 20,000 to 40,000 who work, shop, eat, visit, or drive through every single day. I seriously doubt that only PTC residents get tickets

Point taken, insayn, but I'd truly be interested in exactly how many people outside the city limits actually drive through and/or visit on a daily basis. We don't have a major industrial base and we're 8 miles from the Interstate. I'd estimate perhaps 10,000 additional people each day?

And if we really want to get technical, 30% of the PTC population is under 18. Most of those kids don't have driver's licenses. Let's assume 5% of the population is between 16 and 18 and have drivers licenses.

So (35,000 *.75) = 26,250 + 10K (my guess) to 20K (your guess) visitors/day is still 36,250 to 46,250 licensed drivers.

That still equates to 1 of every 4 drivers (my numbers) or 1 of every 5 drivers (your numbers) getting stopped this year.

Still seems high to me.

Ever seen 54/74 between 600 and 900 in the AM and 400 and 600 PM? Cars two lanes wide three miles long from Fischer Rd all the way to 74. Id have to guess that between those 5 hours alone there's about 10,000 people entering and exiting the city

If 12% of the fines were worth $150,000.00, then 100% would equal about $1,250,000.00 in fines for the year!
Pays for about 20 cops!

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grassroots's picture

They're trained to enforce the law and keep safety first. Quit Training them yo steal our money via cheap tactics and cheap lawyers. Shame on you.

What do you think giving tickets is for? The cops don't see that money, they don't get a set of steak knives for reaching a quota. They give out tickets so that a judge can give a punishment for your doing something unsafe.

Read title 40 of the GA code book, you'll see several hundred laws regarding rules of the road, vehicle equipment, insurance, etc. They are the laws that you just stated are what cops are trained to enforce.

A million comes into the city treasury and you don't see where that helps the cops in quantity of them, raises, overtime, and money that can be used elsewhere and that saved to the cops budget.
Anyway, they do it to scare vandals.

I have no problem with police ticketing automobile speeders on the roads in PTC (long overdue in my opinion).

I have a big problem with the officer who pulled my son over on a cart path while operating our golf cart recently because ONE headlight was out. He gave him a warning ticket and of course searched the golf cart for contraband in the process. A golf cart is NOT a licensed vehicle on a road and SHOULD NOT be subject to the same laws. Are you next going to pull over bicycles riding at night on the cart paths without lights and ticket them and search the pockets of their riders?

Let's not cross the common sense line here. There is a fine line between promoting public safety and harassing the taxpayer who pays your salary!

He should have been stopped. Teach him how to check lights, oil tire pressure and so on. You should be happy he was told about the light before he has an accident. They should set up more cart path checks on all carts.

I hate to say it but most parents, especially the women, do not know how to do those safety checks themselves! They consider it to be someone else's job.
Kids can't use a screwdriver correctly these days. They can text however in gibberish! Oh, and cops are unlikely to stop an adult or adults with one headlight and especially won't go through his pockets and cart for contraband! They wiil just yell to get the light fixed.

Don't tell my how to raise my kids you MORON. As for the cart being unsafe, one light is plenty safe for cart path purposes.

And what if the other headlight goes out while your child is out driving around? Especially on moonless or rainy night. How safe is he or she then? Seems like you need a lesson in common sense. Ive seen several carts wrapped around trees in the middle of the day and I've nearly been run over by carts being driven by teens with their headlights off several times at night.

cogitoergofay's picture

Chief Clark is right. He is honest.

I wondered if the article would contain "spin". It does not.

The key question to ask is this--- are they making good cases? I suspect that they are so if motorists are guilty, maybe they could write 10,000 tickets a year. They are restricted by state law in the first place. The Bill of Rights restricts them. I have gotten three tickets in PTC. I paid them. I was guilty. How in the world can I complain? I was going more than the ten mile grace period given by state law.

If you travel to Chief Clark's previous assignment you will get an idea of his background-- Juno Beach. Nice place, lots of beach direlicts in south Florida. But not in his town and not with an undue police presence. The wrongdoers move on to easier targets.

Chief Clark is right. Our officials better not mess with him.

The kids call it right. I am always shocked, actually dumbfounded, anytime I see a truck w/ a ladder anywhere near the city limits that does not have a red flag. I've rolled dwn the window often & told them to run as fast as they can for the line. Is there still a competition on Wed court for the 1 that collects the most fines? Anyone that thinks or even imagines justice is doled out in a city court needs to attend several. Almost all of your civil rights are trampled. The (esp.) 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th.

I suggest they spend more time behind the old "little" Kroger. They can't seem to stop the 'tagging' from the hwy. Starting tomorrow, the can issue all sorts of littering tixs from Micky D's / Chix to McIntosh HS. The littering on the paths is pretty disgraceful. I'm normally on the kid's side but rounding blind curves (same Micky D's) & popping outta tunnels wide open is not safe.

I say keep patrolling...it makes the City safer.

Pay more tax, burn more police car gas, buy more helicopters, hire more policemen, hire more firemen, get new police cars, buy more cop bicycles and carts, hire more people at city hall, set up a large development staff, build another new, free of mold, police station, give employees a raise, furnish better pensions for employees, retire at 50, build a jail for 10,000 speeders and broken lights, build and ice rank for dar, ban teen-agers from most places, provide tutoring free for low rent neighborhoods, teach every teen-ager in PTC to fly an airplane, provide snobby restaurants for the few, teach all waiters in restaurants to provide excellent service but not to overdo visiting the tables and be there though when wanted. (it is a losing battle)

I have a lot more but these may be all we can afford this year.

Cyclist's picture

are you tired of living in the "big" city?

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it's best to IGNORE him. Frankly, his rants are quite tiring.

Cyclist's picture

I just couldn't help myself this morning. ☺

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It is OK with me---read whatchawant!

Wonder if you can tell me first however what the Chief of PTC police meant by "beefing up" the auto stops?
Like cycler, there is a lot of beef in the PTC PD but "upping" it is strange.
Shouldn't they have been "beefing" it before money got scarce?
Do you also know how much the sheriff could have made on a ticket for Judge Caldwell in the abandoned subdivision---heck that is a little worse than a broken tail-light or DWM.
Wonder what two Mexicans in a car in an abandoned sub-division would have gotten for a ticket when facing each other? (assuming they were legal and didn't have any pot in the car--I assume they searched the Judges car).

What is the name of that class at Police school as to how to handle such matters? Can a Chief or a Sheriff overrule the school policy?

PTC Observer's picture

Went out last night to BestBuy and saw four traffic stops. It's a good thing for sure.

Mother Russia indeed. Oh,,, its OK when its the other guy, but what when its you for some perceived "minor" traffic offence? And as they have you pulled over, what happens to "real" crime? As a retail business owner, I can tell you that people from surrounding areas, are and will avoid PTC.

I say this kind of over policing must stop, and the new chief must go! He
obvioulsy is the catalyst for this.

I myself will put my house on the market next week, I cannot, and will not live like this! I went to Lake Lanier over the weekend. I saw ONE police car, arriving back in PTC, I saw 3!! ALL WITH SOMEONE PULLED OVER!! Lets see, 1 1/2 hours vs. 10 mins......you do the math!

Cyclist's picture

bye.

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Wow, Someone must have pee'd in this guy's cornflakes. Good riddance. I certainly would hate to see what this guy would have sounded like if hurricane Katrina had hit PTC. I think his head would have exploded.

Or the lack of traffic? Much of my Family lives on the Northside of town, talk about a nightmare. Have fun.

The city should install inspection stations/toll booths at all entrances and exits to the city. The police can have live police dogs to sniff and search every car as they pay their toll to enter or exit the city. One would be able to pay their toll and sign for their citation every entry/exit of the city.

Those of you who are so proud of our police department are not exempt. They stop and arrest anyone and everyone. You may think you are a good citizen, a good American but the Peachtree City Police will ticket you and arrest you as if you were profiled on America's Most Wanted.

Cyclist's picture

Have you been stopped and arrested yet?

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Never!
They don't stop Lincolns or Cadillacs--my sport car, and if they do it is to give advice as to what road to take. I just flash my DD-214.

Cyclist's picture

Good. At least you're legal. ☺

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TinCan's picture

I suspect Bonk's flashing has more to do with a raincoat than with a DD-214.

Cyclist's picture

You are too much!!!!! ☺

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TinCan's picture

It just occured to me that DD-214 may have been a "special purpose" pet name.

Used to watch those cans go under on rough seas.

Got a Grandson currently on A DDG---not exactly a tin can anymore.

You may not call DDGs Destroyers, but the Navy does!

Cyclist's picture

are darn fast as they're propelled by a "quad package" of turbine engines(LM2500) which are a derivative of engines that power the B747.

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Yes, I was fortunate to see one christened in MS recently.

Cyclist's picture

Would that have been the DDG-110 - USS William P. Lawrence?

My Grandfather, God bless him, served on the USS Hendry (APA-118) and was a coxswain on a LCVP or simply a "P" boat. He participated in Iwo Jima and Okinawa campaigns. I'm proud of him.

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Think we could get one of those turbine engines fitted into a Golf Cart and make it the standard for PTC?

Cyclist's picture

Well actually I'm partial to the days yore; you remember when sex was dirty and the air was clean and real men flew airplanes with a little wheel in the tail. This was back in the day when big round airplane piston engines reigned supreme. So with that, here's my idea of the most perfect cart for PTC. It's powered by a Wright R3350 sans the power recovery turbines so the horsepower at takeoff was just a tad over 2,000 BHP. See it here <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABn9uwsYvsg&feature=related"><strong>Cy's Cart</strong></a>

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I didn't say they weren't.
I was speaking about Missiles, computerized cannons, unbelievable sonar, speed, two gas engines to power the electric propulsion for faster turnarounds, torpedoes that don't miss and sink what they shoot at for sure, etc.
The training of the crew is 2-3 times as long as was in tin can days.
Not knocking tin cans though, they were top-notch many years ago.

PTC police are ticket-aggressive. I've been stopped a few times. However, the officers were always professional, polite and treated me with respect. Of course, that was how I treated them, too.

Good Job Chief! You bring balance to a city that is "not" what it was 14 years ago when I moved here. I would respectfully ask that you spend some enforcement focus on the new Golf Cart interchanges in the area on 54 between Avenues and Home Depot/WalMart. At the crossing opposite Huddleston Road exiting Best Buy... DRIVERS NEED EDUCATION on where the STOP LINE IS.. and not to BLOCK THE GOLFCART CROSSING LANE.

On the Golf Cart drivers side... STOP SIGN means STOP... I mean really... the cart paths are like a free for all with the way the young adults drive.

Thanks from an ex Alabama Sheriff's Deputy!

PTCTRADER2010

police giving more tickets this year is because ptc is one million in the red so to replace money to get back in black it's not serve and protect it's stop and collect

mjm1204's picture

You can't base traffic citations on the population. There is tons of traffic going through PTC. Just pay attention to tags when you're driving through... even that won't account for people in nearby cities that are in Fayette.

To the person complaining about their son getting a warning for no headlight on a golf cart... you really don't have a clue. He got a warning. It's for his safety and others. Bicycles are also required to have a light on at night also.

I'd be more interested to see why the ticket count is higher but the revenue isn't much higher. Judges could be throwing out cases.

Also, their warnings increased more than anything else. So I don't see what you're all complaining about.

Traffic enforcement does reduce other crimes. It's been studied for years.

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common tater's picture

I'm curious. Have any of the people who don't like the fact that traffic laws are being enforced ever travelled in a country where they're not? Try it and when you come back you might be singing a different tune. Also, did any of you stop to think that the officers pulling you over don't get paid any more for the extra work they do? They don't work on commission and are not likely to boost the city income enough to make a difference in their paycheck. If you don't like the way PTC operates you can always move to Atlanta or Clayton Co. where the police don't have as much time to enforce traffic....maybe you'll be happier there.

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