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In defense of the Fayette NAACP

Despite numerous false accusations lobbed at the NAACP in the media, this historic organization can only be accurately labeled as a true champion of equality, justice, diversity and inclusion.

In the early 1950s, the NAACP filed the landmark case known as Brown vs. The Board of Education and won. As a result, white and black children all over the South were required to attend the same schools like I did beginning in 1970 in Americus, Ga.

Wherever there is unlawful discrimination taking place, the NAACP has an obligation to first seek voluntary changes to eliminate discrimination which we did in Fayette County.

Several years ago, I personally appeared before the Fayette County Commission and asked them to voluntarily switch to district voting. The commissioners all looked at me as if I was crazy and promptly ignored my request and numerous other appeals for district voting.

Efforts to get district voting through the legislature were also thwarted.

So if there is no conspiracy to keep people of color off the county commission and school board, why vehemently resist changing to district voting?

It is a verifiable fact that historically to some degree or another, black people in America have systemically been wrongfully abused, used, discriminated against, neglected and exploited ever since we set foot on American soil.

Yet as Americans, we brave black folks are the ones who must constantly challenge America to live up to its promise of liberty and justice for all.

So with discrimination still being a constant reality more often than not, we find that people in control of Fayette County government have refused to voluntarily do anything to eliminate racial discrimination in Fayette County elections.

So what did you expect the NAACP to do? Did you expect the NAACP to continue to allow the votes of black residents to be diluted?

Did you really expect us to sit back and allow an all-white county commission and school board to continue making policy and decisions without any input from us?

Did you expect us to forgo seeking a court remedy that would give us the opportunity to elect the candidate of our choice?

If the federal judge orders a special election, you can thank all those Fayette County leaders who repeatedly dismissed the call to voluntarily change to district voting.

But thanks to the federal justice system and district voting, Fayette County now has a golden opportunity to finally embrace diversity and inclusion by bringing fairness to government and unity to our community.

As a very proud American citizen who served my country in the military for decades, I fully expect my vote for a county commission or school board candidate to count.

But with at-large voting, it has been proven that my vote and the votes of the black residents in north Fayette County are illegally diluted by a biased group of voters in other parts of the county who have statistically proven that they historically prefer any white candidate over a black candidate.

Thus, the Voting Rights Act and Judge Batten’s 81-page decision in favor of district voting gives me the expectation that we in north Fayette County will soon be able to elect the candidate of our choice, whether that candidate be black, white or otherwise.

Furthermore, shouldn’t there be people of color on the county commission and school board if we are to have diversity and inclusion in government? What is divisive about that?

And if our county leaders were color-blind, wouldn’t they be able to understand that district voting is the fairest way to elect county commissioners and school board members?

Honestly, I do not expect to get those who hate or attack the NAACP to agree with me. As a matter of fact, I full expect to be attacked, cursed and put down. Why?

Because there are a few hateful vocal minority of selfish people who really expect black people to be quiet and stay in our place.

Like vocal white supremacists of the Jim Crow era, they have no respect for the NAACP, outspoken civil rights activists and people of color in general because they expect blacks to be subservient, pay our taxes, cut our grass and be content to let white people make all of the decisions that affect us, our children and our communities.

But somewhere I heard Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. tell Negroes to straighten up our backs because nobody can ride your back when you stand upright.

So call us uppity or upright if you will. That is the charge we have from that great black leader with an amazing dream.

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the historic March on Washington, thousands of black Americans are reviving the spirit of activism that moved us to change things for the better.

Nevertheless, not all black people in Fayette County are willing to stand upright or associate with the NAACP because they may be too scared, apathetic or have been conditioned to not make waves or duped into conforming to the expectation that blacks should stay in our place and be subservient.

But the NAACP owes it to any person of color to show everybody that standing up for our civil rights is not only our duty and obligation, it is the only way we will ever gain the dignity and respect we deserve as real Americans.

So I call upon people of all races to join the NAACP as we fulfill Dr. King’s dream of loving everybody, even those who do not love us or what we do to make this world better.

So what can you expect from the NAACP in the future years to come? Expect the NAACP to continue bringing people of all races together to challenge racism wherever it exists.

The NAACP boldly aims to lovingly help those who are blind to racism because like many of our vocal NAACP-bashing citizens, they are blind to racism because they are not affected by it.

And because racism and discrimination has become so underhanded, sneaky and hidden in some cases, it’s us up to the NAACP to expose racism for all to see, because no else will. That’s what the NAACP has done for over 100 years.

What else can you expect? Expect that most blacks in Fayette County and those to come will try our very best to improve on what is already a great place to live and raise a family.

So, expect thousands of progressive blacks to migrate to Fayette County because we value the great education system here. We blacks have become very fond of getting a good education because education was once something that our enslaved ancestors were forbidden to get and maliciously deprived of, for centuries.

Most of all, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Fayette County soon becomes a county with a progressive majority/minority population. And I expect that district voting will allow white voters in a majority/majority district to elect the candidate of their choice, whether that candidate is black, white or otherwise.

John E. Jones
Fayetteville, Ga.

[Jones is the president of the Fayette County Branch of the NAACP. The local organization’s website is]



ptctaxpayer's picture

Sussberg you are a beauty. And now, for repentance, you are the broken record dogging Donnie Haddix. Got news for you--- the guy has enough support to beat back Lager Logsdon and get re-elected. "Sanctimonius" ? Yeah, I agree with Hutch.

Wow, this is genius.

Don, you have an alias name, and that of an old washed out disgusting comic.... Under this name you can insult Harold again, not get sued and keep the tax paper money....
Genius...a loser, washed out disgusting comic.

Don Haddix's picture

No, Larry, I only post under my own name, unlike you.

You need reminded the person you ripped off called me and was very angry. First, because you ripped him off, and second, because he is a supporter of mine.

<cite><strong>Don Haddix
Peachtree City Mayor</strong></cite>

I apologized, something you are incapable of.

The citizens are waiting for your apology for the unnecessary lawsuits, the continual story telling and the $12,000 you took from the citizens when all you needed to do was apologize and retract your statement about the former mayor.

Instead you defended the lawsuit knowing you were wrong but also knowing you were going to take the citizens money.
In the end, you apologized in private and also attempted to secretly collect the money from GIRMA but couldn't. You spent even more tax payer money getting the city attorney to write a third request/appeal and never told city council as well. All in secret.

Talk about immoral. You were elected by the people and you betrayed the public trust by taking our money. That's a fact you can never hide from. PTC tax money is not your personal piggy bank for your private lawsuits involving your personal misbehavior.

Don, I will continue to repeat the truth about you right up to the election no matter what Hutch, NUK_1, PTCtaxpayer and others say about me. They should also vote for you too..if they chose to ignore your conduct.

To put this in calling me out on ripping off ....
Well, it's like a feral hog pissing on pig.

hutch866's picture

Technically I never said anything about you, I just asked a simple question. Me thinks you doth protest to much. As far as Dandy Don is concerned, he had nothing to do with this thread when I remarked on your post.

I yam what I yam

Actually, I thought it belonged to the person who gave it to me not someone else. Either way it was wrong and when I found out that I was lied to and it belonged to someone else, I wrote to the editor and turned myself in.
Either way, it was wrong since it violated Cal's policy of having 2 accounts, in addition to what happened to Randy.

hutch866's picture

You seem to be having a problem with my original post, go back and look at the 7:31 time stamp. I never asked what led to your enforced vacation. BTW, nothing has happened to Randy.

I yam what I yam

Actually, not a smart move. It was stupid then and stupid now
so I post under my real name and bear the consequences of my criticism.

cogitoergofay's picture

Sussberg/Cokely did something so dishonest as to render him irrelevant. Haddix certainly has faults but Larry--- what you did "took the cake."

Fair enough! Although I didn't steal his citizen account and it was given to me under false pretense I take full responsibility.
If you think Haddix taking $12,000 of tax payer money is not worse or some of the other stuff he has pulled is fine, well vote for him again and left him continue his antics.

I have to live with what I did to Mr. Cokely and any harm that came to him.
But here's the difference, I didn't open his wallet and take his money like Haddix did to all of us and I took responsibility and Haddix doesn't.

darn sanctimonious about everyone else. And your many many explanations (which are not necessary) seem to skew the situatioon some. As I remember it, you did no apologizing until you were caught red handed. Many people are still on this site who remember just how it went down. And by the way, Haddix was not the one who brought the incident up--but as usual you use it as an excuse to vent another of your diatribes. Honestly, now, can you say you would have 'fessed up' if you had not been caught? You constantly carp on how you post under your own name--if you feel so strongly about that now, why did you ever feel it necessary to use another's name--not a user name of your own but the name of an actual person? Get off your high horse and cut out the baloney.

Thank you for your comments.
If you check back and review the incident, you will find that I contacted the publisher after the incident occurred, not after being caught because once I found out what happened, I knew it was wrong. I believed that the person who gave me the user name was the owner. I admitted what I did then as I do now.

Are you ever going to "man up" for taking $12,000 of taxpayer money?

Return the tax payers' $12,000 and repay the city for time you used asking the city attorney to write the 3rd letter/plea to get the money back from this "private lawsuit".

PTC Observer's picture

You are posting under your own name because you falsely believe you are persuasive. You are mistaken. You simply continue to dig a bigger hole for yourself.

Now, I will ask you once more. When will we see an endorsement from your base of supporters? Who are they Mr. Haddix? Do they represent business, city and established leaders in our community? Let's see you convince them to publicly come out for you so we can see exactly who they are.

We will then compare your base of support against the other candidates in this race, is that asking too much from you?

if you are not already part of mimi's wackadoodles five, ease on down to the ezone end they could possibly explain to you that the booth will scream with endorsement, as the final vote is in. that is why we have voting booths, mendacious observer, allows privacy. as I explained to you before the voting booth will speak, all you need to do is get someone to take you when the time comes and show you what to do and you too will be able to endorse and support your candidate of choice.

we just don't need, nor are we interested in you comparing our base of support with other candidates (I note your name is not in the pot).

mudcat's picture

You say that you are posting under your own name "unlike you (meaning Larry)". That implies that Larry is using a name that belongs to someone else and I can't understand that. I have met Larry, like him and respect him for the work he does with children. I believe he is using his own name and why would he not?

Is this attack on Larry and your imaginary theft of Larry's name the best use of your time as mayor of Peachtre City? I think not. What say you?

The inference is attached to previous blog activity by Sussberg using another person't identity. Forget it. It's old news and irrelevant.

mudcat's picture

Why does he post it then when he is trying to get reelected? Is he just plain stupid?

Actually, a few years ago someone asked me to post a clarification on an a lie, I thought it was their account and I learned the hard way. When I found out it belonged to someone else I contacted Cal immediately and he published my apology.
No matter what, it was wrong.
That's the truth.

However, it's not going to stop me from keeping informed on what Haddix has done.
As you know, he ripped off PTC taxpayers for $12,000 plus the cost of labor used having the city attorney write his 3rd plea to GIRMA. And 4 years ago when PTC was heading into financial disaster, he fought to get a salary increase for himself. Ask Vanassa! Oh, the list goes on and on with this guy!

mudcat's picture

Has he apologized for the $12,000? No, so what makes him so pure that the feels he can attack you? You are not running for office, are you?

Why does he blog on here, btw? Isn't that stupid for a political candidate?

Hey, totally unrelated but I saw a girl on a bridge holding up a sign that said "OMG" second line was "Obama Must Go" Thought that was totally cool, but where it was, was even better. It was on a bridge over VA State route 50 near the Pentagon on Friday afternoon about 4PM on full display for government workers leaving their offices. Hope she wasn't shot down.

Actually, the issue popped up the other day.

However, since Haddix's post, the last 1 or 2 appear to be his buddies/supporters trying to keep the conversation going to discredit me. Probably at his request.

That's ok, because I am telling the truth, about what I did and what he has done.

I am sorry but I did not take Randy's identity, someone else apparently did but I did not know at the time but no matter I should haveot n posted based upon Cal's rules.I stood up immediately and took responsiblity

Don Haddix has ripped off PTC citizens for over $12,000 and takes no responsibility. it was a private lawsuit against him and only paid by GIRMA on a technicality because he sent his insults about Harold on city email. He should have apologized to Harold immediately, that's taking responsibility butinstead he dug in then paid he legal bills with our taxpayer money.

So now, he can stop directing his buddies to post, or we can keep this conversation going up to election day. Fine by me.

People need to be reminded of what he did.

"respect him for the work he does with children....

that is just frightening. do you honestly believe the hatred, the evil, bigotry and lack of self control this man displays in these postings does not come back and out in his everyday dealings with anyone he comes into contact with?

this person, if not already, sounds like someone who is on the brink of self destruction. he has already crossed the line on more than one occasion. I say "keep your children close, or at least away from evil as much as possible".

included would be "mimi's" wackadoodles five.

At least I would like to think so.

MajorMike's picture

Yes indeed Larry, corruption does indeed come in all colors. It's simply those pesky percentage of populace statistics that "some" people would prefer we ignore.

But gee, with reports surfacing that it's more rewarding to be on welfare than it is to work, I have to ask: exactly what year did common sense roll over and die in this country.

Can't blv you asked if she'd ever been to the "Miami facility". Truth be known, she just can't seem to get past Jax Center!

Growing as a major international city; businesses moving corporate headquarters there; entertainment industry finding it beneficial to their productions; young people of all races moving into the area. Georgia Tech, Emory, Georgia State - institutions of higher learning that are highly respected as well as the historically black colleges at the Atlanta University Center. Atlanta has its poverty - and its millionaires - like many urban areas . The obvious is that black and white leaders worked together to insure this progress. There are many 'sides' to the 'truth'. . .but Atlanta is far from 'bankrupt'. The truth - no one sees in the foreseeable future, black only leaders for Fayette County - and just because the mayor of Atlanta has been a black person for some time - does not mean that there are no 'white' leaders in Atlanta. Intelligent leaders in our country have learned to work together in order for progress to continue. The white leadership in Atlanta is still there and very active and visible working cooperatively with/for the citizens of Atlanta - and that's the truth!

This Joe Kawfi plants this 'stuff' here straight from the 'haters' websites. Most don't pay any attention to him - but it is important to let readers know that there are other opinions and other citizens in Fayette County who are living and working together in harmony - even if their ideology, religion, politics are different. Change has been and is a wonderful thing - and change has happened in Fayette County Georgia. There is a higher percentage of minorities living here than the percentage in the US. As long as the income and educational levels remain (kindred tastes) as they are in Fayette County - the harmony will remain. Blacks have been in Fayette County for some time. There is an interesting history of African Americans here. Someone mentioned the mingling of races here as a product of master and slave - and I'm sure that has validity - but all white families here were not as pure as the driven snow. There are many proud grandparents in stores in FC with obviously racially mixed children - and their love for them has no limit due to race. Heaven help the idiot that speaks negatively to or about a grandchild!! I hope that in your experience with citizens here in Fayette County, you are finding that the change has been productive and is continuing harmoniously in spite of this fear of a black being represented on a governing board. I do believe that all citizens fear crime - but law enforcement seems to be handling that as of now.

High unemployment (cause by obama), 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate, more men in prison than graduating college, 50% hs drop-out rat, doubling of food-stamps, higher crime rates, and the knumbskull naacps are chasing after rodeo clowns and fraternity parties.

<a href=" demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown incident</a>

<a href="">NAACP attacks Dartmouth students who threw 'Crips and Bloods' frat party</a>

the naacps and anyone associated with them are illegitimate as they support this nonsense. Instead of addressing issues in the community that really matter, the fools of the naacp would rather cry racism at every turn. The term is overused and has lost all meaning. They don't even know the meaning of racism.

Wash rinse repeat.

yellowjax1212's picture

I know that it not likely that we can remove race from the argument since the initials NAACP is the driving force behind this editorial but as far as I am concerned I am a lot more concerned with Mr. Jones' comment, "So, expect thousands of progressive blacks to migrate to Fayette County because we value the great education system here."
That is all well and good but what scares me is not the color of anyone's skin but the moniker of "Progressive".
You see the problem with "Progressive" is that, as soon as they gain power they want to change the way things are done - and rarely for the better of the masses. Just peek across the border at the Clayton County school system.

It is interesting that here in the south there seems to be complete ignoring of the existence of a 'middle class black community'. Look at the current demographics of Clayton and the other counties that are being compared to Fayette County. There is no comparison - yet 20% of the population in FC is minority. Progressives and conservatives in other parts of the country have been able to work together - and many states are far better off than Georgia because of cooperative efforts. You are correct - many of the 'newcomers' to FC may not be Republican Conservatives - but they will not come with the intent of investing in this area - and then ruining it. Most of my acquaintances are 'moderate'. They want quiet neighborhoods, good shopping areas, (although at our age, the online shopping has proven welcomed), safety in our homes and on our streets, good neighbors who want the same. What I'm perceiving is a 'fear' of losing this thing called 'power'. Well, what I have learned is that when power is shared with respect and civility - usually peaceful progress follows.

As a proud Berkeley boy, I value diversity. This is awesome. As Atlanta has the largest pool of college educated middle class blacks in America, and as parts of this county consistently rate as a "best place to live", we should expect the best and brightest. As Mr. Jones has so kindly proffered a vision of the future, I should very much like him to provide documentation for all the doubters of how many communities his organization has directly improved with similar campaigns -- using the following metrics: Increase property value, static or improved crime rates, static or improved education metrics.

Will this influx improve property value?

Will this influx improve or not negatively impact crime?

Will this influx improve or not negatively impact education metrics?

(And there are literally thousands of blacks in the metro area more than capable of coming here and making all three happen.)

Hit all there and every good ol' boy in the county will love it. Well, maybe not that strange inbred family down in the South end of the county.

C'mon, John. Tell them how many communities you have bettered. Okay, you've caught me. You haven't really "bettered" any community using those three indicators -- but hey, there's always a first time! Why should blacks be hindered by your poor track record? This IS a great place to live, and suitable professionals live just up the road in Atlanta. How could you explain such a success to the national organization? "Hell, John, did you actually accomplish the goal of inclusion AND make things better?" Listen to me, fella, I'll make you a superstar.

It would be sure political office for you afterwards. County Commission or something. Steve's gotta buff out that Vette sooner or later, anyway. A chair will open.

So ... let's put a serious brain drain on the metro area and actively recruit educated, upper middle class blacks. Yes! Hey, let their political leanings be their own. If they're progressive, cool! Gay, straight, lil of both. Maybe they'll love muscle cars and a fighting purple Jesus like the Cult of Division Road. It has always bothered me that whites have a strange monopoly on creepy cults. Let's change that too. They got a cafe, U-haul, shields, swords, purple Barracuda with a 318. W00t.

Hey, vato ... let's have it all. Quality AND quantity.

The naacps are too busy ensuring that mask-wearing rodeo clowns lose their jobs to do anything constructive. They are very adept at destroying jobs and communities; not so much as creating them or building them up.

Would 'white' demographics that are the same as the 'black' demographics change the neighborhoods? Are 'white' undereducated poor, etc, cleaner than 'black' undereducated poor? My experience is no. Not in this country. Unfortunately, drugs and the use of alcohol seems to also equalize the appearance of neighborhoods and care of property in poor areas .
In areas where income is higher, the drug users and drunks can afford to hire others to care for their property.

One point that folks don't note is that alot of the problems with changing demographics is about aging housing stock. Northern Fayette County has some of the oldest subdivisions in the county. Most upper to lower middle class folks are not going to buy a 50 year old ranch house on Beauregard or 279.
The folks with 200K plus to spend are going to PTC, Senoia, Sharpsburg or if they want land Brooks. Unlike some of the older cities it is easier to move out than tear down so the older neighborhoods that were cool 30 years ago are falling into disrepair and are rentals.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

The dirty little secret of the so-called "recovery" of the housing market is that it is fueled by 3 things:
1. Banks selling their foreclosed houses very cheaply to investors who mostly can't flip them, so they are holding them and renting them.
2. Banks who rent their houses.
3. Buyers who don't want to be in an old neighborhood or a neighborhood of rentals buy in the few new subdivisions that are started - or they buy a 1 or 2 year old resale in a neighborhood that hasn't gone downhill - yet.

Eventually you will be creating neighborhoods that are mostly renters and you know what that leads to. The aging neighborhoods you describe simply add to the problem. Too expensive to fix up and sell. Too expensive to buy and fix up in a declining neighborhood. Values stagnate.

And of course all the foreclosures have taken hundreds of thousands of families out of the housing market for 3 to 7 years (or permanently) and made renters out of them.

Only thing that helps this is strong economic recovery with local job growth. Then if people really want to live in Fayette County and they have a job and qualify for a mortgage, it can slow or even reverse the downward spiral. I hope our political "leaders" understand how important this all is. We don't really need you to come up with more regulations and taxes - just spend some part of your day doing what Jim Pace and the other guys did with Pinewood. Even on a much smaller scale it would be helpful.

Live free or die!

One place to note about is Wynnmeade in PTC, very cheaply built homes from late 60's early 70s. This neighborhood's values were in the toilet 10 -15 years ago without the spiral. Growing up in the Chicago area eventually they built out so far that the old neighborhood land values skyrocketed and people start moving back and rebuilding. In the ATL we still have so much inexpensive land that is wwithin an hour of the city that it doesn't make sense. It is all relative, my sis has a house near the train in the near suburbs of Chicago, it was built in the 50's and is about 1600 sq feet and worth about 300K...

Even an economic recovery will not help the older fayette county subdivisions. I don't know the solution because even those who have saved up would rather be housepoor and live in a 200K house than live in a 120$ dump. As long as the land prices stay low folks are going to invest in the middle end properties. We were considering downsizing since our kids are out of school but why sell our 270k house to buy a 200k one after the expenses we would be at a break even. A big issue is that the difference between a dump (80-100K) and a nice small house in a good neighborhood (170-200k) is not a lot in terms of a long time real eastate investment.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Economic recovery with local decent paying jobs will solve part or even most of the problem, but there will always be a few subdivisions that are destined for rental - or a bulldozer. A lot of the political candidates talk about redevelopment as if they know something about it, but they think putting a new facade on a shopping center is redevelopment. The real challenges in redevelopment are in the residential sector. You can buy everyone out, bulldoze and start over, but this only works financially if there is a real bull market in housing like the 1990's (never to be seen again) or if you get the city or the county to give you higher density - a non-starter with most pols. Or you can create a healthy business and employment enviroment and encourage people to upgrade and modernize their house one house at a time - sort of the opposite of blockbusting which was done in the 60's and 70's. Very tricky to pull that off.

But at the end of the day, you are correct - there will still be some substandard neighborhoods.In PTC we try to regulate them into submission, but that only goes so far. Thankfully we are in less of a mess that Clayton and DeKalb.

Live free or die!

Thanks for the interesting discussion on housing here in Fayette Co. One participant on this forum is fond of pointing out that a major difference between Fayette and DeKalb/S.Fulton/Clayton is the lack of low-income housing here. She (correctly) points out that this has an impact on our crime stats and community safety.

But I'm curious - do you see the housing issue being affected by the soon-to-be-created 5th voting district? The idea behind this district appears to be that minorities will always choose to elect minorities when given the opportunity. So, once the NAACP approved minority candidate is seated on the County Commission, one of the best ways for him/her to maintain power would be to push for the creation of more low-income/minority housing in that district, right? And, if such a move is opposed, the NAACP can respond with more lawsuits. After all, the fact that there has never been readily available low-income housing "proves" that the county is actively oppressing minorities, right? Oh, and Fayette "is widely known as the last bastion of white supremacy." Checkmate, NAACP!


Do you believe that all minorities want low-cost housing in their neighborhoods? What about the 20% of minorities who live in FC? Do they all live in low- cost housing? I think that any member of the council would want to continue the role model county that is represented by FC. No one wants to invest in property next to anyone who does not maintain their property. Look who your minority neighbors are. Do they fit the statistics that are so often quoted here?

What I believe is that the first priority of any politician is to secure reelection. In this case, adding more black voters increases the chances of the NAACP candidate's reelection in that district. The truth of that assertion is supported by the premise of the lawsuit, is it not?

While we're on that topic, DM... I still cannot grasp how someone who purports to believe in equality and color-blindness can support an effort to racially segregate our population. How can there be equality and color-blindness in a county where one race has special, different, and unequal status? And why should it be ok for one race to deprive all others of 4 fifths of their voting power in two critical elections? That's racism - res ipsa loquitur.

Still, I'll admit that it's fun to watch you go through a mental contortionism routine in an attempt to reconcile these irreconcilable ideas. Thanks for the entertainment!

I respect what you believe. What I have witnessed in these United States is that political parties have been practicing the process of gerrymandering districts in order to obtain or retain power for sometime. Since the Voting Rights Act was signed, and the practice of Jim Crow was 'ended', gerrymandering utilizing race has taken a new prominence in our political practice in all states in our country. I don't quite understand why you find this 'entertaining'. I think your questioning the 'right' of the NAACP to stipulate 'race' is understandable - but the NAACP did not take this action illegally, but took their case to the Federal Court. The Federal Court has ruled in the NAACP's favor. The reaction is not unlike the reaction when the Voting Rights Act was signed. Politicians have used gerrymandering, changing location of voting precincts, requiring certain types of ID for years before 2012, 2013. Gosh, this time, the courts have founded in favor of 'blacks' gaining what may be an advantage in selecting a candidate.

Now honestly, I see no evidence of the NAACP doing an all out campaign to elect a 'black; person to the District 5 seat - but I don't live in that District. (All 20% of minorities don't live in that District) It is just possible that the 'expert' committee on gerrymandering will find it difficult to accomplish an area where 51% of the voters will be minority and they all will vote for the same candidate, 'Certainly you have seen, if you have lived in areas where there are both Democrats and Republicans, the political parties gerrymander districts in order to get the person they want elected elected. It's politics SilveStar. When my candidate suffered from a 'redistricting' in California - I wasn't very happy. . . .but no one has stated that the practice of gerrymandering should be stopped. What is entertaining - but sad - is the obvious discomfort for some that the NAACP in Georgia may use a technique that has been used throughout the country to gain voting power . You have the right to consider it despicable. I don't.
It's American politics.

And the tap Dance continues, ta, da da.

Please correct my thinking. Thanks.

You've used the same fallacious reasoning several times now: district voting is justified and acceptable because 1) gerrymandering is done by everyone, 2) a federal judge has sided with the NAACP.

Your arguments can be summarized as "two wrongs make a right" and "anything is acceptable, so long as a federal judge agrees." Unfortunately, these beliefs can be (and have been) used to justify any manner of immoral and harmful behavior.

Anyone over the age of 6 knows that "he's doing it too" is not a valid defense for one's own bad behavior. I'm willing to bet that your parents taught you that, DM. Logically speaking, this is actually a subset of the ad hominem fallacy - ad hominem tu quoque ("you too").

Regarding your second premise, let's not forget that federal judges have also ruled the following: blacks are not citizens and have no standing in federal court, states cannot interfere with the apprehension and removal of runaway slaves, "separate but equal" is moral and fair, etc, etc. The judgment of a federal court made those things legal - but did it make them right? Of course not. Likewise, the approval of the federal court does not make right the current effort to racially categorize and segregate our county. Wrong is wrong, DM.

[Quote]Your arguments can be summarized as "two wrongs make a right" and "anything is acceptable, so long as a federal judge agrees." Unfortunately, these beliefs can be (and have been) used to justify any manner of immoral and harmful behavior.[/quote]

I'm sure I have misunderstood your point. What are the two wrongs here?

1. To provide all Americans an opportunity to be represented in government?

2. To allow all citizens to benefit from the political process?

No one is denying a citizen a right to vote in District voting. True, citizens do not have an opportunity to vote for those in other districts. What was found in the Federal Court is that Districtwide voting has prevented a minority from siting on a FC governing body. People have shared that minorities have run for some positions in FC. If Bonnie Willis lived in a District and decided to run, I bet she would win hands down.

If we find political processes immoral, shouldn't our moral political parties take steps to outlaw immorality? If gerrymandering is viewed as immoral, I'm sure the Republicans will stop using this immoral activity.

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I would like to point out that "moral political parties" is an oxymoron.


You got my point! Thanks! Judging political action or politicians on morality is. . . .


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