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In defense of the Fayette NAACP

Despite numerous false accusations lobbed at the NAACP in the media, this historic organization can only be accurately labeled as a true champion of equality, justice, diversity and inclusion.

In the early 1950s, the NAACP filed the landmark case known as Brown vs. The Board of Education and won. As a result, white and black children all over the South were required to attend the same schools like I did beginning in 1970 in Americus, Ga.

Wherever there is unlawful discrimination taking place, the NAACP has an obligation to first seek voluntary changes to eliminate discrimination which we did in Fayette County.

Several years ago, I personally appeared before the Fayette County Commission and asked them to voluntarily switch to district voting. The commissioners all looked at me as if I was crazy and promptly ignored my request and numerous other appeals for district voting.

Efforts to get district voting through the legislature were also thwarted.

So if there is no conspiracy to keep people of color off the county commission and school board, why vehemently resist changing to district voting?

It is a verifiable fact that historically to some degree or another, black people in America have systemically been wrongfully abused, used, discriminated against, neglected and exploited ever since we set foot on American soil.

Yet as Americans, we brave black folks are the ones who must constantly challenge America to live up to its promise of liberty and justice for all.

So with discrimination still being a constant reality more often than not, we find that people in control of Fayette County government have refused to voluntarily do anything to eliminate racial discrimination in Fayette County elections.

So what did you expect the NAACP to do? Did you expect the NAACP to continue to allow the votes of black residents to be diluted?

Did you really expect us to sit back and allow an all-white county commission and school board to continue making policy and decisions without any input from us?

Did you expect us to forgo seeking a court remedy that would give us the opportunity to elect the candidate of our choice?

If the federal judge orders a special election, you can thank all those Fayette County leaders who repeatedly dismissed the call to voluntarily change to district voting.

But thanks to the federal justice system and district voting, Fayette County now has a golden opportunity to finally embrace diversity and inclusion by bringing fairness to government and unity to our community.

As a very proud American citizen who served my country in the military for decades, I fully expect my vote for a county commission or school board candidate to count.

But with at-large voting, it has been proven that my vote and the votes of the black residents in north Fayette County are illegally diluted by a biased group of voters in other parts of the county who have statistically proven that they historically prefer any white candidate over a black candidate.

Thus, the Voting Rights Act and Judge Batten’s 81-page decision in favor of district voting gives me the expectation that we in north Fayette County will soon be able to elect the candidate of our choice, whether that candidate be black, white or otherwise.

Furthermore, shouldn’t there be people of color on the county commission and school board if we are to have diversity and inclusion in government? What is divisive about that?

And if our county leaders were color-blind, wouldn’t they be able to understand that district voting is the fairest way to elect county commissioners and school board members?

Honestly, I do not expect to get those who hate or attack the NAACP to agree with me. As a matter of fact, I full expect to be attacked, cursed and put down. Why?

Because there are a few hateful vocal minority of selfish people who really expect black people to be quiet and stay in our place.

Like vocal white supremacists of the Jim Crow era, they have no respect for the NAACP, outspoken civil rights activists and people of color in general because they expect blacks to be subservient, pay our taxes, cut our grass and be content to let white people make all of the decisions that affect us, our children and our communities.

But somewhere I heard Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. tell Negroes to straighten up our backs because nobody can ride your back when you stand upright.

So call us uppity or upright if you will. That is the charge we have from that great black leader with an amazing dream.

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the historic March on Washington, thousands of black Americans are reviving the spirit of activism that moved us to change things for the better.

Nevertheless, not all black people in Fayette County are willing to stand upright or associate with the NAACP because they may be too scared, apathetic or have been conditioned to not make waves or duped into conforming to the expectation that blacks should stay in our place and be subservient.

But the NAACP owes it to any person of color to show everybody that standing up for our civil rights is not only our duty and obligation, it is the only way we will ever gain the dignity and respect we deserve as real Americans.

So I call upon people of all races to join the NAACP as we fulfill Dr. King’s dream of loving everybody, even those who do not love us or what we do to make this world better.

So what can you expect from the NAACP in the future years to come? Expect the NAACP to continue bringing people of all races together to challenge racism wherever it exists.

The NAACP boldly aims to lovingly help those who are blind to racism because like many of our vocal NAACP-bashing citizens, they are blind to racism because they are not affected by it.

And because racism and discrimination has become so underhanded, sneaky and hidden in some cases, it’s us up to the NAACP to expose racism for all to see, because no else will. That’s what the NAACP has done for over 100 years.

What else can you expect? Expect that most blacks in Fayette County and those to come will try our very best to improve on what is already a great place to live and raise a family.

So, expect thousands of progressive blacks to migrate to Fayette County because we value the great education system here. We blacks have become very fond of getting a good education because education was once something that our enslaved ancestors were forbidden to get and maliciously deprived of, for centuries.

Most of all, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Fayette County soon becomes a county with a progressive majority/minority population. And I expect that district voting will allow white voters in a majority/majority district to elect the candidate of their choice, whether that candidate is black, white or otherwise.

John E. Jones
Fayetteville, Ga.

[Jones is the president of the Fayette County Branch of the NAACP. The local organization’s website is http://www.fcnaacp.org.]

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MajorMike's picture

Yes indeed Larry, corruption does indeed come in all colors. It's simply those pesky percentage of populace statistics that "some" people would prefer we ignore.

But gee, with reports surfacing that it's more rewarding to be on welfare than it is to work, I have to ask: exactly what year did common sense roll over and die in this country.

Can't blv you asked if she'd ever been to the "Miami facility". Truth be known, she just can't seem to get past Jax Center!

Growing as a major international city; businesses moving corporate headquarters there; entertainment industry finding it beneficial to their productions; young people of all races moving into the area. Georgia Tech, Emory, Georgia State - institutions of higher learning that are highly respected as well as the historically black colleges at the Atlanta University Center. Atlanta has its poverty - and its millionaires - like many urban areas . The obvious is that black and white leaders worked together to insure this progress. There are many 'sides' to the 'truth'. . .but Atlanta is far from 'bankrupt'. The truth - no one sees in the foreseeable future, black only leaders for Fayette County - and just because the mayor of Atlanta has been a black person for some time - does not mean that there are no 'white' leaders in Atlanta. Intelligent leaders in our country have learned to work together in order for progress to continue. The white leadership in Atlanta is still there and very active and visible working cooperatively with/for the citizens of Atlanta - and that's the truth!

This Joe Kawfi plants this 'stuff' here straight from the 'haters' websites. Most don't pay any attention to him - but it is important to let readers know that there are other opinions and other citizens in Fayette County who are living and working together in harmony - even if their ideology, religion, politics are different. Change has been and is a wonderful thing - and change has happened in Fayette County Georgia. There is a higher percentage of minorities living here than the percentage in the US. As long as the income and educational levels remain (kindred tastes) as they are in Fayette County - the harmony will remain. Blacks have been in Fayette County for some time. There is an interesting history of African Americans here. Someone mentioned the mingling of races here as a product of master and slave - and I'm sure that has validity - but all white families here were not as pure as the driven snow. There are many proud grandparents in stores in FC with obviously racially mixed children - and their love for them has no limit due to race. Heaven help the idiot that speaks negatively to or about a grandchild!! I hope that in your experience with citizens here in Fayette County, you are finding that the change has been productive and is continuing harmoniously in spite of this fear of a black being represented on a governing board. I do believe that all citizens fear crime - but law enforcement seems to be handling that as of now.

High unemployment (cause by obama), 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate, more men in prison than graduating college, 50% hs drop-out rat, doubling of food-stamps, higher crime rates, and the knumbskull naacps are chasing after rodeo clowns and fraternity parties.

<a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/naacp-demands-doj-secret-service-investi... demands DOJ, Secret Service investigate rodeo clown incident</a>

<a href="http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4987">NAACP attacks Dartmouth students who threw 'Crips and Bloods' frat party</a>

the naacps and anyone associated with them are illegitimate as they support this nonsense. Instead of addressing issues in the community that really matter, the fools of the naacp would rather cry racism at every turn. The term is overused and has lost all meaning. They don't even know the meaning of racism.

Citizen_Steve's picture

I could not agree more with Mr. Jones on the need for the NAACP, especially in Fayette. There is such a large number of folks in the black community that are not able to function in this society that it is essential we provide assistance. Among other challenges, until we can figure out how to keep so many black men from becoming criminals and so many black women out of single motherhood poverty, this community will continue to be discriminated against, regardless of any differences in skin color. While there may be hateful, selfish vocal opposition to the NAACP I think Mr. Jones would agree that there is also broad resentment due to the the amount of ongoing public assistance required by the black community while the fundamental problems in the community remain widespread.

What would the NAACP be doing differently if Dr. King were in charge today?

Steve

Maybe Dr. King would:

1. Insist on Parent Education Classes so that parents could assist their child at home and participate responsibly in the schools educational program

2. Re-instate technical training in secondary schools for all young people as well as exposure to literature, math, science and history. (Home economics; computer use; drafting; agriculture; etc.)

3. Include the contribution of all Americans in the history of the United States

4. Work for equality and opportunity in all work places for minorities and women.

5. Work for reasonable pay for the underpaid 'working poor' in our country - so that they do not have to depend on welfare.

6. Better pay for teachers; more input into educational decisions by teachers.

Dr. King was assassinated when he started working for all poor in this country. There have been many discussions about why this involvement was such a threat to certain segments of our society. The plantation owners of the early days feared the joining of the poor blacks and poor whites - as this would be quite a unified force to be dealt with in our country,

The NAACP in most communities offers scholarships for achieving students; provides workshops for improving skills in the workplace; as well as protecting and monitoring the voting rights of minority citizens.

The problem of single mothers cannot be handled by 'government' alone, but needs the help of parent education, realistic sex education, principles taught in the church and in the home. We have today the results of children who were raised in front of a TV which showed almost explicit sex every afternoon.

Wash rinse repeat.

yellowjax1212's picture

I know that it not likely that we can remove race from the argument since the initials NAACP is the driving force behind this editorial but as far as I am concerned I am a lot more concerned with Mr. Jones' comment, "So, expect thousands of progressive blacks to migrate to Fayette County because we value the great education system here."
That is all well and good but what scares me is not the color of anyone's skin but the moniker of "Progressive".
You see the problem with "Progressive" is that, as soon as they gain power they want to change the way things are done - and rarely for the better of the masses. Just peek across the border at the Clayton County school system.

It is interesting that here in the south there seems to be complete ignoring of the existence of a 'middle class black community'. Look at the current demographics of Clayton and the other counties that are being compared to Fayette County. There is no comparison - yet 20% of the population in FC is minority. Progressives and conservatives in other parts of the country have been able to work together - and many states are far better off than Georgia because of cooperative efforts. You are correct - many of the 'newcomers' to FC may not be Republican Conservatives - but they will not come with the intent of investing in this area - and then ruining it. Most of my acquaintances are 'moderate'. They want quiet neighborhoods, good shopping areas, (although at our age, the online shopping has proven welcomed), safety in our homes and on our streets, good neighbors who want the same. What I'm perceiving is a 'fear' of losing this thing called 'power'. Well, what I have learned is that when power is shared with respect and civility - usually peaceful progress follows.

As a proud Berkeley boy, I value diversity. This is awesome. As Atlanta has the largest pool of college educated middle class blacks in America, and as parts of this county consistently rate as a "best place to live", we should expect the best and brightest. As Mr. Jones has so kindly proffered a vision of the future, I should very much like him to provide documentation for all the doubters of how many communities his organization has directly improved with similar campaigns -- using the following metrics: Increase property value, static or improved crime rates, static or improved education metrics.

Will this influx improve property value?

Will this influx improve or not negatively impact crime?

Will this influx improve or not negatively impact education metrics?

(And there are literally thousands of blacks in the metro area more than capable of coming here and making all three happen.)

Hit all there and every good ol' boy in the county will love it. Well, maybe not that strange inbred family down in the South end of the county.

C'mon, John. Tell them how many communities you have bettered. Okay, you've caught me. You haven't really "bettered" any community using those three indicators -- but hey, there's always a first time! Why should blacks be hindered by your poor track record? This IS a great place to live, and suitable professionals live just up the road in Atlanta. How could you explain such a success to the national organization? "Hell, John, did you actually accomplish the goal of inclusion AND make things better?" Listen to me, fella, I'll make you a superstar.

It would be sure political office for you afterwards. County Commission or something. Steve's gotta buff out that Vette sooner or later, anyway. A chair will open.

So ... let's put a serious brain drain on the metro area and actively recruit educated, upper middle class blacks. Yes! Hey, let their political leanings be their own. If they're progressive, cool! Gay, straight, lil of both. Maybe they'll love muscle cars and a fighting purple Jesus like the Cult of Division Road. It has always bothered me that whites have a strange monopoly on creepy cults. Let's change that too. They got a cafe, U-haul, shields, swords, purple Barracuda with a 318. W00t.

Hey, vato ... let's have it all. Quality AND quantity.

The naacps are too busy ensuring that mask-wearing rodeo clowns lose their jobs to do anything constructive. They are very adept at destroying jobs and communities; not so much as creating them or building them up.

Would 'white' demographics that are the same as the 'black' demographics change the neighborhoods? Are 'white' undereducated poor, etc, cleaner than 'black' undereducated poor? My experience is no. Not in this country. Unfortunately, drugs and the use of alcohol seems to also equalize the appearance of neighborhoods and care of property in poor areas .
In areas where income is higher, the drug users and drunks can afford to hire others to care for their property.

One point that folks don't note is that alot of the problems with changing demographics is about aging housing stock. Northern Fayette County has some of the oldest subdivisions in the county. Most upper to lower middle class folks are not going to buy a 50 year old ranch house on Beauregard or 279.
The folks with 200K plus to spend are going to PTC, Senoia, Sharpsburg or if they want land Brooks. Unlike some of the older cities it is easier to move out than tear down so the older neighborhoods that were cool 30 years ago are falling into disrepair and are rentals.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

The dirty little secret of the so-called "recovery" of the housing market is that it is fueled by 3 things:
1. Banks selling their foreclosed houses very cheaply to investors who mostly can't flip them, so they are holding them and renting them.
2. Banks who rent their houses.
3. Buyers who don't want to be in an old neighborhood or a neighborhood of rentals buy in the few new subdivisions that are started - or they buy a 1 or 2 year old resale in a neighborhood that hasn't gone downhill - yet.

Eventually you will be creating neighborhoods that are mostly renters and you know what that leads to. The aging neighborhoods you describe simply add to the problem. Too expensive to fix up and sell. Too expensive to buy and fix up in a declining neighborhood. Values stagnate.

And of course all the foreclosures have taken hundreds of thousands of families out of the housing market for 3 to 7 years (or permanently) and made renters out of them.

Only thing that helps this is strong economic recovery with local job growth. Then if people really want to live in Fayette County and they have a job and qualify for a mortgage, it can slow or even reverse the downward spiral. I hope our political "leaders" understand how important this all is. We don't really need you to come up with more regulations and taxes - just spend some part of your day doing what Jim Pace and the other guys did with Pinewood. Even on a much smaller scale it would be helpful.

Live free or die!

One place to note about is Wynnmeade in PTC, very cheaply built homes from late 60's early 70s. This neighborhood's values were in the toilet 10 -15 years ago without the spiral. Growing up in the Chicago area eventually they built out so far that the old neighborhood land values skyrocketed and people start moving back and rebuilding. In the ATL we still have so much inexpensive land that is wwithin an hour of the city that it doesn't make sense. It is all relative, my sis has a house near the train in the near suburbs of Chicago, it was built in the 50's and is about 1600 sq feet and worth about 300K...

Even an economic recovery will not help the older fayette county subdivisions. I don't know the solution because even those who have saved up would rather be housepoor and live in a 200K house than live in a 120$ dump. As long as the land prices stay low folks are going to invest in the middle end properties. We were considering downsizing since our kids are out of school but why sell our 270k house to buy a 200k one after the expenses we would be at a break even. A big issue is that the difference between a dump (80-100K) and a nice small house in a good neighborhood (170-200k) is not a lot in terms of a long time real eastate investment.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Economic recovery with local decent paying jobs will solve part or even most of the problem, but there will always be a few subdivisions that are destined for rental - or a bulldozer. A lot of the political candidates talk about redevelopment as if they know something about it, but they think putting a new facade on a shopping center is redevelopment. The real challenges in redevelopment are in the residential sector. You can buy everyone out, bulldoze and start over, but this only works financially if there is a real bull market in housing like the 1990's (never to be seen again) or if you get the city or the county to give you higher density - a non-starter with most pols. Or you can create a healthy business and employment enviroment and encourage people to upgrade and modernize their house one house at a time - sort of the opposite of blockbusting which was done in the 60's and 70's. Very tricky to pull that off.

But at the end of the day, you are correct - there will still be some substandard neighborhoods.In PTC we try to regulate them into submission, but that only goes so far. Thankfully we are in less of a mess that Clayton and DeKalb.

Live free or die!

Thanks for the interesting discussion on housing here in Fayette Co. One participant on this forum is fond of pointing out that a major difference between Fayette and DeKalb/S.Fulton/Clayton is the lack of low-income housing here. She (correctly) points out that this has an impact on our crime stats and community safety.

But I'm curious - do you see the housing issue being affected by the soon-to-be-created 5th voting district? The idea behind this district appears to be that minorities will always choose to elect minorities when given the opportunity. So, once the NAACP approved minority candidate is seated on the County Commission, one of the best ways for him/her to maintain power would be to push for the creation of more low-income/minority housing in that district, right? And, if such a move is opposed, the NAACP can respond with more lawsuits. After all, the fact that there has never been readily available low-income housing "proves" that the county is actively oppressing minorities, right? Oh, and Fayette "is widely known as the last bastion of white supremacy." Checkmate, NAACP!

Thoughts?

Do you believe that all minorities want low-cost housing in their neighborhoods? What about the 20% of minorities who live in FC? Do they all live in low- cost housing? I think that any member of the council would want to continue the role model county that is represented by FC. No one wants to invest in property next to anyone who does not maintain their property. Look who your minority neighbors are. Do they fit the statistics that are so often quoted here?

What I believe is that the first priority of any politician is to secure reelection. In this case, adding more black voters increases the chances of the NAACP candidate's reelection in that district. The truth of that assertion is supported by the premise of the lawsuit, is it not?

While we're on that topic, DM... I still cannot grasp how someone who purports to believe in equality and color-blindness can support an effort to racially segregate our population. How can there be equality and color-blindness in a county where one race has special, different, and unequal status? And why should it be ok for one race to deprive all others of 4 fifths of their voting power in two critical elections? That's racism - res ipsa loquitur.

Still, I'll admit that it's fun to watch you go through a mental contortionism routine in an attempt to reconcile these irreconcilable ideas. Thanks for the entertainment!

I respect what you believe. What I have witnessed in these United States is that political parties have been practicing the process of gerrymandering districts in order to obtain or retain power for sometime. Since the Voting Rights Act was signed, and the practice of Jim Crow was 'ended', gerrymandering utilizing race has taken a new prominence in our political practice in all states in our country. I don't quite understand why you find this 'entertaining'. I think your questioning the 'right' of the NAACP to stipulate 'race' is understandable - but the NAACP did not take this action illegally, but took their case to the Federal Court. The Federal Court has ruled in the NAACP's favor. The reaction is not unlike the reaction when the Voting Rights Act was signed. Politicians have used gerrymandering, changing location of voting precincts, requiring certain types of ID for years before 2012, 2013. Gosh, this time, the courts have founded in favor of 'blacks' gaining what may be an advantage in selecting a candidate.

Now honestly, I see no evidence of the NAACP doing an all out campaign to elect a 'black; person to the District 5 seat - but I don't live in that District. (All 20% of minorities don't live in that District) It is just possible that the 'expert' committee on gerrymandering will find it difficult to accomplish an area where 51% of the voters will be minority and they all will vote for the same candidate, 'Certainly you have seen, if you have lived in areas where there are both Democrats and Republicans, the political parties gerrymander districts in order to get the person they want elected elected. It's politics SilveStar. When my candidate suffered from a 'redistricting' in California - I wasn't very happy. . . .but no one has stated that the practice of gerrymandering should be stopped. What is entertaining - but sad - is the obvious discomfort for some that the NAACP in Georgia may use a technique that has been used throughout the country to gain voting power . You have the right to consider it despicable. I don't.
It's American politics.

And the tap Dance continues, ta, da da.

Please correct my thinking. Thanks.

You've used the same fallacious reasoning several times now: district voting is justified and acceptable because 1) gerrymandering is done by everyone, 2) a federal judge has sided with the NAACP.

Your arguments can be summarized as "two wrongs make a right" and "anything is acceptable, so long as a federal judge agrees." Unfortunately, these beliefs can be (and have been) used to justify any manner of immoral and harmful behavior.

Anyone over the age of 6 knows that "he's doing it too" is not a valid defense for one's own bad behavior. I'm willing to bet that your parents taught you that, DM. Logically speaking, this is actually a subset of the ad hominem fallacy - ad hominem tu quoque ("you too").

Regarding your second premise, let's not forget that federal judges have also ruled the following: blacks are not citizens and have no standing in federal court, states cannot interfere with the apprehension and removal of runaway slaves, "separate but equal" is moral and fair, etc, etc. The judgment of a federal court made those things legal - but did it make them right? Of course not. Likewise, the approval of the federal court does not make right the current effort to racially categorize and segregate our county. Wrong is wrong, DM.

[Quote]Your arguments can be summarized as "two wrongs make a right" and "anything is acceptable, so long as a federal judge agrees." Unfortunately, these beliefs can be (and have been) used to justify any manner of immoral and harmful behavior.[/quote]

I'm sure I have misunderstood your point. What are the two wrongs here?

1. To provide all Americans an opportunity to be represented in government?

2. To allow all citizens to benefit from the political process?

No one is denying a citizen a right to vote in District voting. True, citizens do not have an opportunity to vote for those in other districts. What was found in the Federal Court is that Districtwide voting has prevented a minority from siting on a FC governing body. People have shared that minorities have run for some positions in FC. If Bonnie Willis lived in a District and decided to run, I bet she would win hands down.

If we find political processes immoral, shouldn't our moral political parties take steps to outlaw immorality? If gerrymandering is viewed as immoral, I'm sure the Republicans will stop using this immoral activity.

PTC Observer's picture

I would like to point out that "moral political parties" is an oxymoron.

Thanks

You got my point! Thanks! Judging political action or politicians on morality is. . . .

Robert W. Morgan's picture

First of all, I think your assumption that a single county commissioner (whether black or white) could take any action that would result in more low income housing is flawed. Witness the 2 most famous and recent cases of low income housing coming to Fayette County - both in Peachtree City.
1. Back in the early 90's Steve Black (name unrelated to racial consequences of the same name) was either asleep at the switch or complicit in allowing Alex Thompson to bring Peachtree Station to life. No real need for rezoning, the only hurdles were PCDC approval and endorsement (hence Black's role) and site plan approval by PTC Planning Commisssion (headed at the time by Black banking partner Rich "Train whistle" Parlontierri). Needeless to say it passed and Peachtree Station was approved with no mention whatsoever in the meeting minutes that this was subsidized housing. The rest is high crime history.
2. About 3 years ago, our funny little mayor (who is currently seeking reelection) attended a joint City Council and Planning Commission meeting at which Norsouth Properties was presenting an ill-fated and impossible to approve a high density seniors rental project which was also subsidized - although to be fair, only the financing was subsidized - not the rent ala Peachtree Station. Nevertheless, our intrepid mayor opened his big fat mouth and made an allegedly racist comment comparing the Norsouth project to Peachtree Station (now renamed Harmony Village). The Federal discrimination lawsuit brought by Norsouth convinced current councilmembers Imker, Learnard, Fleisch and possibly da mayor to knuckle under and settle by approving their rezoning (a 700% density increase) and land use (apartments for seniors).

So, to answer your question, silverstar, it is not the color of one politician's skin that determines the character of his vote on subsidized or low income housing, instead it is the content of his brain (or the lack thereof). Yes, I know Mr. Black (a former one-term county commissioner) was a private sector business employee when his mental lapse allowed Peachtree Station, but the causal action is instructive, doncha know.

So, one black guy from District 5? He can't do too much even if wanted more low income housing. Realistically, no black politician in Fayette County wants to be associated with the Peachtree Station trash - black or not. His role would be to pander to the upscale blacks in South Hampton and North Fayette that has the disposable income to make political contributions.

No silverstar, it is not racial activists that will do us in, it is the stupidity of people like Black and Haddix and the greed of people like Thompson and whoever the Norsouth guy is.

Live free or die!

Thanks for the response and for the Fayette Co history; I appreciate it!

As for one Commissioner not being able to make such a change, I would agree... normally. However, in this case, the concept of district voting itself is becoming a reality without the consent or blessing of ANY of our Commissioners, right? This is because the NAACP has frightened a court system that fears being labeled as "racist" into bypassing our normal political process. While I earnestly hope you are correct, I fear that such a tactic can now be used to achieve whatever goals they wish to set. And, according to Mr. Jones, one of those goals is to bring thousands of "progressive" black people into the county.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

He wants progressive blacks who blindly vote Democrat to migrate to Fayette County with the eventual goal of 2 or even 3 minority/majority districts and even a black county commission chair. That's what lurks in the back of his divisive little mind. To do that he needs to import people who actually vote and will be replacing whites as they move out. The Section 8 crowd does not meet that criteria.

That being said, I firmly believe that in this particular district you will see multiple black candidates emerge and compete for the same votes. One of them will get into a runoff with a non-black and the majority of the black voters will be unhappy their black candidate didn't win and not vote in the runoff - and the non-black will win. And somehow he will find a way to blame whitey.

Jones and people like him are not smart, they are just pushy. They are blinded by hate and an entitlement mentality. Their tactics are flawed - specifically the "you can't let an incumbent run" nonsense. They also don't realize the simple reality that if they want a black commissioner, they need to rally behind one black candidate. They didn't do it when Horgan got elected and there were not enough black votes to even get into a runoff.

Section 8 housing is something the property owner/landlord has to apply for and of course something that he is comfortable in managing. It can be single-family or multi-family. And it can be anywhere. Nothing local government can do about it when the owner of an existing property wants to convert (which is very rare). They can be vigilant about not allowing new high-density Section 8 or other subsidized housing from coming in by simply applying zoning laws.

Another concern is when an existing apartment project - say Gables Court, as an example only, experiences above average vacancy, higher than average maintenance costs and is foreclosed upon by a bank who dumps it for a very low price. One of the potential buyers might be a company like Norsouth who gets subsidized financing or it could be a company that does Section 8 housing as its primary business. That's the scenario worth worrying about. And when it happens, understand that the only reason Gables Court or other apartment projects are here is because of the bleeding hearts bemoaning high housing prices (about $85,000 at the time) and their oft-heard lament "We need affordable housing here. The fireman and policeman and even the teachers are forced to live out of town", Remember that?

Live free or die!

G35 Dude's picture

I think Silverstars scenario is more realistic than you think. You see if the NAACP were to want to take over FayCo they could buy or pick a representative to buy an apartment/condo complex and move in lots of section 8 "voters". Then bus them to the polls to win elections. Any attempts to block their actions would land FayCo back in court. I also believe that your scenario about how the black candidates would cancel out each in an election is wishful thinking. The NAACP will not let these people sit home and not vote. They will be bussed to the polls and the NAACP will know who votes and who doesn't. And which of those classes do you think will get the section 8 housing? Voters that support the NAACP or those that stay home?

You can't use logic with an illogical person.

suggarfoot's picture

"The NAACP will not let these people sit home and not vote. They will be bussed to the polls and the NAACP will know who votes and who doesn't. And which of those classes do you think will get the section 8 housing? Voters that support the NAACP or those that stay home?"

That USE to be illegal, it is called buying votes, but since it is the NAACP no one will call their hand at it.

We were just a joke to the rest of the world. Now it is more like disgust. They call for boycotting us because we are so screwed up with our "tolerance" and what we have been brainwashed into thinking we "owe" certain groups.

Again, I would like for Jones, or anyone else to show me the "improvements" they have made in DeKalb, S Fulton, and Clayton. I would like for them to answer me why they don't try to straighten out the messes they have made before asking for more control. They look like fools, and we the bigger fools for our government giving them the "power".

When someone has a bad track record at performance, common sense tells you not to try them again, give someone with a good record of performance the job. But not in this country. Our government however, is handing them over our lives, and our children's lives and futures, to botch and experiment on just like DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton.

G35 Dude's picture

This is the old divide and conquer tactic. We've been divided into districts. Now they just have to conquer one district at a time.

You can't use logic with an illogical person.

You've made some more thought-provoking points, but I respectfully disagree with you on the voting habits of the section 8 crowd. Voting is what they do for a living, so to speak - they vote for the candidate who promises to take the most money from the tax payers and transfer it to them.

For years now, and on a very regular basis, work has taken me inside section 8 housing all around the metro area. If only I had a nickel for every framed picture of Obama I've seen!

Robert W. Morgan's picture

You are correct that the entrenched Section 8 crowd does vote themselves subsidized housing. No question about it, but that is long after the initial invasion. During the initial invasion there is no available Section 8 housing - what is here is full - instead the progressive blacks Mr. Jones covets buy or rent houses - hopefully from a white person so there is a 2 for 1 benefit from the NAACP's point of view. After that several elections produce 1 or more blacks in power who will likely look the other way when Section 8 is proposed - then it is built and the tenants move in - always from another county and after all that they start voting as the leadership of NAACP wants.

But, my point was the Section 8 people are not part of the initial invasion - they are probably living elsewhere awaiting a new place to live. And when they eventually do move, they do not replace whites - they move into a newly constructed Harmony Village.

So, it takes a while, but it could happen here. God knows it has already happened elsewhere.

Nevertheless, having said all that, I still feel that scenario has an uphill battle in Fayette County. I'm sticking to my prediction of a fragmented black vote and an eventual non-black commissioner in that district. Might be wrong, might be wishful thinking, but if the demands of the NAACP are met, we will have that election this November without an incumbent.

Live free or die!

NUK_1's picture

The North Fayette subdivisions like Newton, Lafayette Estates, Dix-Lee'on and others are definitely showing their age and utter neglect/mass foreclosures, for years. Northridge is fairly "new" in comparison and holding up decently, but all the rest built before are pretty bad.

So....who is going to buy a house that once sold for 300K for 90K because it's in awful condition and the neighborhood it is located in has been spiraling downward for many years? It's still too pricey for developers looking for a quick buck and you can't flip the house after renovations because there is no demand. That's where the changing demographics definitely come into play.

The fact that North Fayette has the distinction of pathetic crap just outside their backyard of both Clayton and Fulton doesn't help either. I remember when the "Tri-Counties area" was considered the place to be. Sure as hell isn't these days and hasn't been for a long time.

[Quote]As a proud Berkeley boy, I value diversity. This is awesome. As Atlanta has the largest pool of college educated middle class blacks in America, and as parts of this county consistently rate as a "best place to live", we should expect the best and brightest. As Mr. Jones has so kindly proffered a vision of the future, I should very much like him to provide documentation for all the doubters of how many communities his organization has directly improved with similar campaigns -- using the following metrics: Increase property value, static or improved crime rates, static or improved education metrics.[/quote]

The growth of the educated black middle class has a lot to do with the efforts of organizations like the NAACP . Martin Luther King realized that the poor in this country (black and white) needed more than Civil Right legislation could offer. He was assassinated not long after he proffered a plan to help/ organize the poor. Now the attack politically appears to be on the middle class - and a seeming anger with the poor, a class that is growing day by day. Can your Berkeley insight help us?

Educated middle class Americans will come/are coming to FC. (Black; white ; and all others.). Blacks are not the only minorities in FC. This is the reason FC IMO is a role model for the changed south. The FC that my family visited 63 years ago is not the FC of today.

suggarfoot's picture

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/black-teens-murder-white-australian-jo...

the former prim cautioned people of other countries not come here because of crime (really our tolerance for this type of behavior)

When does this end? I think the rest of the world is somewhat disgusted with our "tolerance" of thugs. This isn't a little 'purple drank' Trayvon who attacked a man he thought was unarmed. This was a nice, clean cut, kid, going to college, doing his best to make the most of the life God gave him, the hard way....working for it, working for every thing that came his way. Look what we let happen to him with our "tolerance"

Sharpton and Jones, NAACP...where are you? As Fox news said this morning of Obama after his pity party of Trayvon could have been his...what about this child?....crickets...!

People are sick of this....and this US attitude toward this is a mockery to our ancestors who fought, died, and built....something else!

The people of Australia know something MORE about slavery...after the English couldn't make this a penal colony after 1783... all their life prisoners...were sent to Austrial....they never got all the hand out/charity/guilt...that the blacks and politicians spoon fed the whites here. EVERYTHING THE AUSSIES GOT...THEY EARNED IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY...THEY WORKED FOR IT. NO WONDER THEY ARE TOTALY DISGUSTED WITH THE TOTAL BS WE ARE BRAINWASHED WITH. Thank God they don't want to come here ....someone call the US politician's and the NAACP's hand on the lunacy!

S. Lindsey's picture

... if this would be BIG news here if the races where reversed?

Bet ole Sharpton and Jackson could work up some moral outrage over this then.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

meanoldconservatives's picture

Their moral outrage only comes in one flavor, and it isn't vanilla. But really, don't confine it to just Rev Al and Bruh Jesse. What about all the other protesters who hit the streets for Trayvon Martin? Where are they? Could it be more obvious?

S. Lindsey's picture

...at least that is what OUR resident race baiter thinks....

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

There is no reason at all for this senseless mayhem. I know an Aussie well and have spent time with him Down Under. He is as astounded at our gun freedoms as we are at his allegiance to the Queen of England. No one in the civilized world understands why guns are so abundant and menacing in the USA.

I hope they grill the perps on this one.

suggarfoot's picture

This isn't about gun freedom/gun control. This man wasn't shot in the woods by hunters....he was shot by little black thugs. Australia doesn't want us boycotted about gun control, they want us boycotted because of our irresponsible tolerance, and over abundance of thugs!

He was shot by by three American thugs.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/police-say-teen-shot-australian-stu...

[quote]"He went by a residence where these three boys were, they picked him as a target, they went out and got in a vehicle and followed him," Ford told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, according to AFP.
"[They] came up from behind and basically shot him in the back with a small caliber weapon, then sped away," Ford added.[/quote]

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/police-say-teen-shot-australian-stu...

meanoldconservatives's picture

It is being reported that one of these thugs may have been posting some racist tweets. Now, we all know that only whitey can really be racist, but here they supposedly were:

<strong>"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."</strong>

<strong>"Ayeee I knocced out 5 woods since Zimmerman court!:)lol $#!^ ima keep sleepin $#!^! "</strong> (profanity overwritten)

Apparently "woods" is used as a derogatory term for whitey. Also apparently, this thug didn't win the recent spelling bee either.....

To most people, anyone who finds it necessary to constantly denigrate a race of people is considered racist. Since the Civil Rights movement , the black community realizes that in the US not<strong> all</ strong > white people are racists.

meanoldconservatives's picture

[quote=Davids mom]Since the Civil Rights movement , the black community realizes that in the US not<strong> all</ strong > white people are racists.[/quote]

So prior to the Civil Rights movement, the black community thought all white people in the US were racist? Wonder why precious few are offended when called racist today?????

You are twisted. Is it really that difficult for you to accept that there are more whites and minorities that 'get along' than those like you who try so hard to create division based on race? Again, <strong>most Americans relate to each other today based on actions rather than color of skin.</strong>

The 'whites' in the south by law treated Negroes as non- citizens. Many 'whites' joined the movement to change this legal practice. Moc, has your understanding of history made this so difficult for you to understand? Obviously whites and blacks have gotten along in this country since before the 1700's. It's legal rights that became an issue that involved racist actions.

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