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In defense of the Fayette NAACP

Despite numerous false accusations lobbed at the NAACP in the media, this historic organization can only be accurately labeled as a true champion of equality, justice, diversity and inclusion.

In the early 1950s, the NAACP filed the landmark case known as Brown vs. The Board of Education and won. As a result, white and black children all over the South were required to attend the same schools like I did beginning in 1970 in Americus, Ga.

Wherever there is unlawful discrimination taking place, the NAACP has an obligation to first seek voluntary changes to eliminate discrimination which we did in Fayette County.

Several years ago, I personally appeared before the Fayette County Commission and asked them to voluntarily switch to district voting. The commissioners all looked at me as if I was crazy and promptly ignored my request and numerous other appeals for district voting.

Efforts to get district voting through the legislature were also thwarted.

So if there is no conspiracy to keep people of color off the county commission and school board, why vehemently resist changing to district voting?

It is a verifiable fact that historically to some degree or another, black people in America have systemically been wrongfully abused, used, discriminated against, neglected and exploited ever since we set foot on American soil.

Yet as Americans, we brave black folks are the ones who must constantly challenge America to live up to its promise of liberty and justice for all.

So with discrimination still being a constant reality more often than not, we find that people in control of Fayette County government have refused to voluntarily do anything to eliminate racial discrimination in Fayette County elections.

So what did you expect the NAACP to do? Did you expect the NAACP to continue to allow the votes of black residents to be diluted?

Did you really expect us to sit back and allow an all-white county commission and school board to continue making policy and decisions without any input from us?

Did you expect us to forgo seeking a court remedy that would give us the opportunity to elect the candidate of our choice?

If the federal judge orders a special election, you can thank all those Fayette County leaders who repeatedly dismissed the call to voluntarily change to district voting.

But thanks to the federal justice system and district voting, Fayette County now has a golden opportunity to finally embrace diversity and inclusion by bringing fairness to government and unity to our community.

As a very proud American citizen who served my country in the military for decades, I fully expect my vote for a county commission or school board candidate to count.

But with at-large voting, it has been proven that my vote and the votes of the black residents in north Fayette County are illegally diluted by a biased group of voters in other parts of the county who have statistically proven that they historically prefer any white candidate over a black candidate.

Thus, the Voting Rights Act and Judge Batten’s 81-page decision in favor of district voting gives me the expectation that we in north Fayette County will soon be able to elect the candidate of our choice, whether that candidate be black, white or otherwise.

Furthermore, shouldn’t there be people of color on the county commission and school board if we are to have diversity and inclusion in government? What is divisive about that?

And if our county leaders were color-blind, wouldn’t they be able to understand that district voting is the fairest way to elect county commissioners and school board members?

Honestly, I do not expect to get those who hate or attack the NAACP to agree with me. As a matter of fact, I full expect to be attacked, cursed and put down. Why?

Because there are a few hateful vocal minority of selfish people who really expect black people to be quiet and stay in our place.

Like vocal white supremacists of the Jim Crow era, they have no respect for the NAACP, outspoken civil rights activists and people of color in general because they expect blacks to be subservient, pay our taxes, cut our grass and be content to let white people make all of the decisions that affect us, our children and our communities.

But somewhere I heard Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. tell Negroes to straighten up our backs because nobody can ride your back when you stand upright.

So call us uppity or upright if you will. That is the charge we have from that great black leader with an amazing dream.

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the historic March on Washington, thousands of black Americans are reviving the spirit of activism that moved us to change things for the better.

Nevertheless, not all black people in Fayette County are willing to stand upright or associate with the NAACP because they may be too scared, apathetic or have been conditioned to not make waves or duped into conforming to the expectation that blacks should stay in our place and be subservient.

But the NAACP owes it to any person of color to show everybody that standing up for our civil rights is not only our duty and obligation, it is the only way we will ever gain the dignity and respect we deserve as real Americans.

So I call upon people of all races to join the NAACP as we fulfill Dr. King’s dream of loving everybody, even those who do not love us or what we do to make this world better.

So what can you expect from the NAACP in the future years to come? Expect the NAACP to continue bringing people of all races together to challenge racism wherever it exists.

The NAACP boldly aims to lovingly help those who are blind to racism because like many of our vocal NAACP-bashing citizens, they are blind to racism because they are not affected by it.

And because racism and discrimination has become so underhanded, sneaky and hidden in some cases, it’s us up to the NAACP to expose racism for all to see, because no else will. That’s what the NAACP has done for over 100 years.

What else can you expect? Expect that most blacks in Fayette County and those to come will try our very best to improve on what is already a great place to live and raise a family.

So, expect thousands of progressive blacks to migrate to Fayette County because we value the great education system here. We blacks have become very fond of getting a good education because education was once something that our enslaved ancestors were forbidden to get and maliciously deprived of, for centuries.

Most of all, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Fayette County soon becomes a county with a progressive majority/minority population. And I expect that district voting will allow white voters in a majority/majority district to elect the candidate of their choice, whether that candidate is black, white or otherwise.

John E. Jones
Fayetteville, Ga.

[Jones is the president of the Fayette County Branch of the NAACP. The local organization’s website is http://www.fcnaacp.org.]

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Robert W. Morgan's picture

First of all, I think your assumption that a single county commissioner (whether black or white) could take any action that would result in more low income housing is flawed. Witness the 2 most famous and recent cases of low income housing coming to Fayette County - both in Peachtree City.
1. Back in the early 90's Steve Black (name unrelated to racial consequences of the same name) was either asleep at the switch or complicit in allowing Alex Thompson to bring Peachtree Station to life. No real need for rezoning, the only hurdles were PCDC approval and endorsement (hence Black's role) and site plan approval by PTC Planning Commisssion (headed at the time by Black banking partner Rich "Train whistle" Parlontierri). Needeless to say it passed and Peachtree Station was approved with no mention whatsoever in the meeting minutes that this was subsidized housing. The rest is high crime history.
2. About 3 years ago, our funny little mayor (who is currently seeking reelection) attended a joint City Council and Planning Commission meeting at which Norsouth Properties was presenting an ill-fated and impossible to approve a high density seniors rental project which was also subsidized - although to be fair, only the financing was subsidized - not the rent ala Peachtree Station. Nevertheless, our intrepid mayor opened his big fat mouth and made an allegedly racist comment comparing the Norsouth project to Peachtree Station (now renamed Harmony Village). The Federal discrimination lawsuit brought by Norsouth convinced current councilmembers Imker, Learnard, Fleisch and possibly da mayor to knuckle under and settle by approving their rezoning (a 700% density increase) and land use (apartments for seniors).

So, to answer your question, silverstar, it is not the color of one politician's skin that determines the character of his vote on subsidized or low income housing, instead it is the content of his brain (or the lack thereof). Yes, I know Mr. Black (a former one-term county commissioner) was a private sector business employee when his mental lapse allowed Peachtree Station, but the causal action is instructive, doncha know.

So, one black guy from District 5? He can't do too much even if wanted more low income housing. Realistically, no black politician in Fayette County wants to be associated with the Peachtree Station trash - black or not. His role would be to pander to the upscale blacks in South Hampton and North Fayette that has the disposable income to make political contributions.

No silverstar, it is not racial activists that will do us in, it is the stupidity of people like Black and Haddix and the greed of people like Thompson and whoever the Norsouth guy is.

Live free or die!

Thanks for the response and for the Fayette Co history; I appreciate it!

As for one Commissioner not being able to make such a change, I would agree... normally. However, in this case, the concept of district voting itself is becoming a reality without the consent or blessing of ANY of our Commissioners, right? This is because the NAACP has frightened a court system that fears being labeled as "racist" into bypassing our normal political process. While I earnestly hope you are correct, I fear that such a tactic can now be used to achieve whatever goals they wish to set. And, according to Mr. Jones, one of those goals is to bring thousands of "progressive" black people into the county.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

He wants progressive blacks who blindly vote Democrat to migrate to Fayette County with the eventual goal of 2 or even 3 minority/majority districts and even a black county commission chair. That's what lurks in the back of his divisive little mind. To do that he needs to import people who actually vote and will be replacing whites as they move out. The Section 8 crowd does not meet that criteria.

That being said, I firmly believe that in this particular district you will see multiple black candidates emerge and compete for the same votes. One of them will get into a runoff with a non-black and the majority of the black voters will be unhappy their black candidate didn't win and not vote in the runoff - and the non-black will win. And somehow he will find a way to blame whitey.

Jones and people like him are not smart, they are just pushy. They are blinded by hate and an entitlement mentality. Their tactics are flawed - specifically the "you can't let an incumbent run" nonsense. They also don't realize the simple reality that if they want a black commissioner, they need to rally behind one black candidate. They didn't do it when Horgan got elected and there were not enough black votes to even get into a runoff.

Section 8 housing is something the property owner/landlord has to apply for and of course something that he is comfortable in managing. It can be single-family or multi-family. And it can be anywhere. Nothing local government can do about it when the owner of an existing property wants to convert (which is very rare). They can be vigilant about not allowing new high-density Section 8 or other subsidized housing from coming in by simply applying zoning laws.

Another concern is when an existing apartment project - say Gables Court, as an example only, experiences above average vacancy, higher than average maintenance costs and is foreclosed upon by a bank who dumps it for a very low price. One of the potential buyers might be a company like Norsouth who gets subsidized financing or it could be a company that does Section 8 housing as its primary business. That's the scenario worth worrying about. And when it happens, understand that the only reason Gables Court or other apartment projects are here is because of the bleeding hearts bemoaning high housing prices (about $85,000 at the time) and their oft-heard lament "We need affordable housing here. The fireman and policeman and even the teachers are forced to live out of town", Remember that?

Live free or die!

G35 Dude's picture

I think Silverstars scenario is more realistic than you think. You see if the NAACP were to want to take over FayCo they could buy or pick a representative to buy an apartment/condo complex and move in lots of section 8 "voters". Then bus them to the polls to win elections. Any attempts to block their actions would land FayCo back in court. I also believe that your scenario about how the black candidates would cancel out each in an election is wishful thinking. The NAACP will not let these people sit home and not vote. They will be bussed to the polls and the NAACP will know who votes and who doesn't. And which of those classes do you think will get the section 8 housing? Voters that support the NAACP or those that stay home?

suggarfoot's picture

"The NAACP will not let these people sit home and not vote. They will be bussed to the polls and the NAACP will know who votes and who doesn't. And which of those classes do you think will get the section 8 housing? Voters that support the NAACP or those that stay home?"

That USE to be illegal, it is called buying votes, but since it is the NAACP no one will call their hand at it.

We were just a joke to the rest of the world. Now it is more like disgust. They call for boycotting us because we are so screwed up with our "tolerance" and what we have been brainwashed into thinking we "owe" certain groups.

Again, I would like for Jones, or anyone else to show me the "improvements" they have made in DeKalb, S Fulton, and Clayton. I would like for them to answer me why they don't try to straighten out the messes they have made before asking for more control. They look like fools, and we the bigger fools for our government giving them the "power".

When someone has a bad track record at performance, common sense tells you not to try them again, give someone with a good record of performance the job. But not in this country. Our government however, is handing them over our lives, and our children's lives and futures, to botch and experiment on just like DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton.

G35 Dude's picture

This is the old divide and conquer tactic. We've been divided into districts. Now they just have to conquer one district at a time.

You've made some more thought-provoking points, but I respectfully disagree with you on the voting habits of the section 8 crowd. Voting is what they do for a living, so to speak - they vote for the candidate who promises to take the most money from the tax payers and transfer it to them.

For years now, and on a very regular basis, work has taken me inside section 8 housing all around the metro area. If only I had a nickel for every framed picture of Obama I've seen!

Robert W. Morgan's picture

You are correct that the entrenched Section 8 crowd does vote themselves subsidized housing. No question about it, but that is long after the initial invasion. During the initial invasion there is no available Section 8 housing - what is here is full - instead the progressive blacks Mr. Jones covets buy or rent houses - hopefully from a white person so there is a 2 for 1 benefit from the NAACP's point of view. After that several elections produce 1 or more blacks in power who will likely look the other way when Section 8 is proposed - then it is built and the tenants move in - always from another county and after all that they start voting as the leadership of NAACP wants.

But, my point was the Section 8 people are not part of the initial invasion - they are probably living elsewhere awaiting a new place to live. And when they eventually do move, they do not replace whites - they move into a newly constructed Harmony Village.

So, it takes a while, but it could happen here. God knows it has already happened elsewhere.

Nevertheless, having said all that, I still feel that scenario has an uphill battle in Fayette County. I'm sticking to my prediction of a fragmented black vote and an eventual non-black commissioner in that district. Might be wrong, might be wishful thinking, but if the demands of the NAACP are met, we will have that election this November without an incumbent.

Live free or die!

NUK_1's picture

The North Fayette subdivisions like Newton, Lafayette Estates, Dix-Lee'on and others are definitely showing their age and utter neglect/mass foreclosures, for years. Northridge is fairly "new" in comparison and holding up decently, but all the rest built before are pretty bad.

So....who is going to buy a house that once sold for 300K for 90K because it's in awful condition and the neighborhood it is located in has been spiraling downward for many years? It's still too pricey for developers looking for a quick buck and you can't flip the house after renovations because there is no demand. That's where the changing demographics definitely come into play.

The fact that North Fayette has the distinction of pathetic crap just outside their backyard of both Clayton and Fulton doesn't help either. I remember when the "Tri-Counties area" was considered the place to be. Sure as hell isn't these days and hasn't been for a long time.

[Quote]As a proud Berkeley boy, I value diversity. This is awesome. As Atlanta has the largest pool of college educated middle class blacks in America, and as parts of this county consistently rate as a "best place to live", we should expect the best and brightest. As Mr. Jones has so kindly proffered a vision of the future, I should very much like him to provide documentation for all the doubters of how many communities his organization has directly improved with similar campaigns -- using the following metrics: Increase property value, static or improved crime rates, static or improved education metrics.[/quote]

The growth of the educated black middle class has a lot to do with the efforts of organizations like the NAACP . Martin Luther King realized that the poor in this country (black and white) needed more than Civil Right legislation could offer. He was assassinated not long after he proffered a plan to help/ organize the poor. Now the attack politically appears to be on the middle class - and a seeming anger with the poor, a class that is growing day by day. Can your Berkeley insight help us?

Educated middle class Americans will come/are coming to FC. (Black; white ; and all others.). Blacks are not the only minorities in FC. This is the reason FC IMO is a role model for the changed south. The FC that my family visited 63 years ago is not the FC of today.

suggarfoot's picture

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/black-teens-murder-white-australian-jo...

the former prim cautioned people of other countries not come here because of crime (really our tolerance for this type of behavior)

When does this end? I think the rest of the world is somewhat disgusted with our "tolerance" of thugs. This isn't a little 'purple drank' Trayvon who attacked a man he thought was unarmed. This was a nice, clean cut, kid, going to college, doing his best to make the most of the life God gave him, the hard way....working for it, working for every thing that came his way. Look what we let happen to him with our "tolerance"

Sharpton and Jones, NAACP...where are you? As Fox news said this morning of Obama after his pity party of Trayvon could have been his...what about this child?....crickets...!

People are sick of this....and this US attitude toward this is a mockery to our ancestors who fought, died, and built....something else!

The people of Australia know something MORE about slavery...after the English couldn't make this a penal colony after 1783... all their life prisoners...were sent to Austrial....they never got all the hand out/charity/guilt...that the blacks and politicians spoon fed the whites here. EVERYTHING THE AUSSIES GOT...THEY EARNED IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY...THEY WORKED FOR IT. NO WONDER THEY ARE TOTALY DISGUSTED WITH THE TOTAL BS WE ARE BRAINWASHED WITH. Thank God they don't want to come here ....someone call the US politician's and the NAACP's hand on the lunacy!

S. Lindsey's picture

... if this would be BIG news here if the races where reversed?

Bet ole Sharpton and Jackson could work up some moral outrage over this then.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

meanoldconservatives's picture

Their moral outrage only comes in one flavor, and it isn't vanilla. But really, don't confine it to just Rev Al and Bruh Jesse. What about all the other protesters who hit the streets for Trayvon Martin? Where are they? Could it be more obvious?

S. Lindsey's picture

...at least that is what OUR resident race baiter thinks....

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

There is no reason at all for this senseless mayhem. I know an Aussie well and have spent time with him Down Under. He is as astounded at our gun freedoms as we are at his allegiance to the Queen of England. No one in the civilized world understands why guns are so abundant and menacing in the USA.

I hope they grill the perps on this one.

suggarfoot's picture

This isn't about gun freedom/gun control. This man wasn't shot in the woods by hunters....he was shot by little black thugs. Australia doesn't want us boycotted about gun control, they want us boycotted because of our irresponsible tolerance, and over abundance of thugs!

He was shot by by three American thugs.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/police-say-teen-shot-australian-stu...

[quote]"He went by a residence where these three boys were, they picked him as a target, they went out and got in a vehicle and followed him," Ford told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, according to AFP.
"[They] came up from behind and basically shot him in the back with a small caliber weapon, then sped away," Ford added.[/quote]

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/police-say-teen-shot-australian-stu...

meanoldconservatives's picture

It is being reported that one of these thugs may have been posting some racist tweets. Now, we all know that only whitey can really be racist, but here they supposedly were:

<strong>"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."</strong>

<strong>"Ayeee I knocced out 5 woods since Zimmerman court!:)lol $#!^ ima keep sleepin $#!^! "</strong> (profanity overwritten)

Apparently "woods" is used as a derogatory term for whitey. Also apparently, this thug didn't win the recent spelling bee either.....

To most people, anyone who finds it necessary to constantly denigrate a race of people is considered racist. Since the Civil Rights movement , the black community realizes that in the US not<strong> all</ strong > white people are racists.

meanoldconservatives's picture

[quote=Davids mom]Since the Civil Rights movement , the black community realizes that in the US not<strong> all</ strong > white people are racists.[/quote]

So prior to the Civil Rights movement, the black community thought all white people in the US were racist? Wonder why precious few are offended when called racist today?????

You are twisted. Is it really that difficult for you to accept that there are more whites and minorities that 'get along' than those like you who try so hard to create division based on race? Again, <strong>most Americans relate to each other today based on actions rather than color of skin.</strong>

The 'whites' in the south by law treated Negroes as non- citizens. Many 'whites' joined the movement to change this legal practice. Moc, has your understanding of history made this so difficult for you to understand? Obviously whites and blacks have gotten along in this country since before the 1700's. It's legal rights that became an issue that involved racist actions.

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I am really offended by the "troll" and "whore" references. I don't agree with DM on many issues but guys this is ridiculous! I think that DM is overly sensitive on racial issues and often disagree with her on political issues.
You gentlemen are not gentlemen and political discussion is not about name calling and instead about intellegent sharing of ideas and opinions. You feed the notion that those who fight the NAACP are racist idiots and the TROLLS. Please keep the discussion civil which benefits everyone.

I totally agree rmoc. Gentlemen demonstrate respect for their elders regardless of their agreement with the opinions of their elders. The name calling and disrespect for DM on this blog says much more about the disrespecting bloggers than it does about DM.

If one disagrees with DM, simply state the disagreement in rational arguments or ignore her comments completely. Resorting to ad hominem attacks demonstrates a paucity of intellectual acumen and immaturity.

suggarfoot's picture

by DM IS SHAMEFUL!!!

You are playing right into her poor me game (if in fact it is either old, or a woman)

No one can carry on a conversation without her putting race into it. She has baited people for YEARS! If he/she/they doesn't want that kind of treatment...why does he/she/they persist in daily race baiting?

If it feels so strongly about race relations, and it was really a teacher, go to DeKalb and make a difference. Instead it comes on here and baits.

All the indicators point to an instigator, race baiter, troll, and everything else that others don't like.

It certainly doesn't point to some sweet little old lady trying to make a difference. In addition to the race card, congrad...you just gave her the "sweet little ole lady...get out of jail" card.

It/he/she is what it is...and it ain't no sweet little old lady trying to make a difference. It is a vile thing trying it's best daily to rub salt in race relations in Fayette county! (Some don't appreciate that)

By sitting around rubbing salt in race relations in Fayette county, and not 'doing' something to make a difference in her own group, DM is and example of what is wrong..in her own group... they don't take responsibility, but point fingers at whitie. They won't take responsibility and try to make a difference. It is easier to blame whitie for something that happened hundreds of years ago.

S. Lindsey's picture

... oh wait nevermind you already have. I am sure your Educational status has been questioned more then once, as well.

Oh well typical reactions abound when one actually finally has enough and attacks back... They go all kumbahyah and those that can be fooled
will be.

Then you become the agressor and the one that started it all is the victim, it is afterall their lifetime achevement award... Victimhood status.

Just not worth the effort any more.

Those that always see racist in every event or wrong will always believe that America is a Racist Country and no amount of change will ever be enough.

They are too invested in their victimhood to change now.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

<a href="http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attac... vet, beaten by teens outside Eagles Lodge, dies</a>

Did these gangsta wannabees show respect to this WWII hero?

Up your's STF

G35 Dude's picture

At one time I enjoyed DM. I just considered her to be an elderly black woman that was a product of her environment. I allowed her her beliefs although I disagreed and she was aware of mine. But as time went on I noticed that some of her tactics included rewording my post and using it to support her position even though I disagreed with it. When I called her on it I was called naive, immature, and childish among other things. Questions that I would ask her would go unanswered. Discussions with her became futile. Now I will agree that calling her a whore/troll is going too far. I myself have never done that. But I do consider her to be a racist. And now I usually just ignore her posts. She claims to be here to improve race relations but she supports the NAACP in an action, district voting, that I believe will harm race relations. I do think she has earned the right to be ignored. But not to be called whore/troll. Racist now that is another matter.

RKS's picture

[quote=rmoc]I am really offended by the "troll" and "whore" references. I don't agree with DM on many issues but guys this is ridiculous! I think that DM is overly sensitive on racial issues and often disagree with her on political issues.
You gentlemen are not gentlemen and political discussion is not about name calling and instead about intellegent sharing of ideas and opinions. You feed the notion that those who fight the NAACP are racist idiots and the TROLLS. Please keep the discussion civil which benefits everyone.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more....but remember it is just a handful of rude people on here who really are probably just enjoying the attention they get because most people who act like this in print don't have the courage to be like that in real life. I have found in the 35 years I have lived in the South that Southern Hospitality is highly overrated....as proven by some really rude people on here.

For some reason they keep coming down. :)

RKS's picture

Seems that with teh mix of cultures in Atlanta that hospitality isn't much at all. But, in Fayette County, it's something I notice more since I live here....not much tolerance for people who have opinions other than right wing. Instead of tolerating and having open communication, it's quite often hate filled and rude and name calling on here is just uncalled for. I don't understand why it is allowed. It serves no purpose. The ability to express your opinion on here is for everyone. If someone doesn't like the opinion, they should not be allowed to be abusive and do name calling like a playground bully.

G35 Dude's picture

If you were more mature than the people that you are chastising you would address them directly and state your problem with them rather than attack an entire group of people that I can see that you really know little about.

RKS's picture

[quote=G35 Dude]If you were more mature than the people that you are chastising you would address them directly and state your problem with them rather than attack an entire group of people that I can see that you really know little about.[/quote]

I am probably older than the majority of the posters on here, so don't make any assumptions about my maturity. If the shoe fits, wear it, if not, don't worry about it. I have stated my problem with "those people" on more than one occassion and have also complained to the "management" on here, so don't you go and make so many assumptions.

G35 Dude's picture

[quote]I am probably older than the majority of the posters on here, so don't make any assumptions about my maturity.[/quote]

Maturity does not always come with age. Sometimes age comes alone.

MajorMike's picture

Copy that!!

suggarfoot's picture

"Maturity does not always come with age. Sometimes age comes alone"

And in DM case, most probably dies alone.

And also proudly Southern as you will find.

MajorMike's picture

Are you advocating bouncing DM off this site? 'Cause if you are, that's the only thing in your little leftist mini rant that made sense.

G35 Dude's picture

[quote]I have lived in the South that Southern Hospitality is highly overrated....as proven by some really rude people on here.[/quote]

First make sure the person you're referring to is a southerner. If so you will find that the majority of southerners, i.e. those born and raised here by parents born and raised here will respond to you in a way that multiplies your attitude towards them. If you're nice they will be even nicer in return. But don't expect one to just accept rudeness without an in kind response. And the fact that you brand an entire group of people like you just did, gives me a clue as to why you're not finding the south so hospitable. I guess all I can say beyond that is that if you don't like it here, Delta is ready when you are.

Were they friendly where you came from? Replies the oldtimer.

A lot truth to that one.

suggarfoot's picture

no on is going to continuously be abused.

RKS's picture

[quote=G35 Dude][quote]I have lived in the South that Southern Hospitality is highly overrated....as proven by some really rude people on here.[/quote]

First make sure the person you're referring to is a southerner. If so you will find that the majority of southerners, i.e. those born and raised here by parents born and raised here will respond to you in a way that multiplies your attitude towards them. If you're nice they will be even nicer in return. But don't expect one to just accept rudeness without an in kind response. And the fact that you brand an entire group of people like you just did, gives me a clue as to why you're not finding the south so hospitable. I guess all I can say beyond that is that if you don't like it here, Delta is ready when you are.[/quote]

Read my post again....it says "SOME"...see that? You even quoted me. Southern Hospitality is overrated.....I ain't apologizin' for it.

S. Lindsey's picture

...G35 is right.

However that being said.. Most of us "Southerners" could not care less what people think of us.

If you have a attitude you might want to check it at the Mason Dixon line...

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

Same subject matter, time after time, nothing more to add, rinse wash repeat...it is what it is.

It's not name calling per say, it is what a person on message boards is called that posts the same thing over and over again.

Haddix and Sussberg sometimes get into this mold.

NUK_1's picture

The "troll" remarks have nothing to do with the hideous creature under the bridge in Billy Goat Gruff kids' book :) It's the whole Internet trolling to simply get lots of attention by making statements to PO people. Here's your typical DM conversation:

Person A: Pretty nice day outside!
DM: The South treated blacks horribly for decades! They were all Republicans!
Person A: ?
DM: Black and white people get along in Fayetteville!
Person A: ??
DM: I expected to be treated like crap in FC and haven't been, but there's still a bunch of you racists out there! NAACP! Republicans are terrible!
Person A: =sigh= I just said it was a nice day outside.

That's about the intellectual depth involved in those conservations here. Everything in DM's mind is about race and that's a miserable way to have to live.

Now, as far as calling her things like "skeezer," no. That's just low class. Joe Kawfi is also a huge troll himself, another person I just ignore these days.

Mike explains just what objection people have to her posts. I agree with you that the word 'whore' is objectionable--but as explained, troll refers to someone trolling through the blogs--not to someone's physicality. All anyone has to do is read back through DM's blogs to see that she always manages to turn any statement by anyone into something to do with race. Then she always manages to turn it into what I have always called a left-handed compliment-- saying she is all for racial harmony and how wonderful her experience in Fayetteville has been when earlier she was trouncing these same people as being racist red necks. I have concluded she is either a paid blogger whose purpose is to keep the race issue in the forefront or she has a vivid imagination and uses this forum to expand it. Either way, I feel not responding to her is the easiest path to take; it may not change anything with her posting but at least we are not playing into it.

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there is anyone here she hasn't called a racist. G35 was the most recent. He tried to be nice to her and the minute it wasn't going her way, he too was a racist.

Besides, you have no idea if it is an elderly woman, or 3 guys in the crips or bloods! No one has any knowledge of who/what they are talking to.

The only thing anyone knows for sure is that he/she likes to instigate and cause friction in an underhanded way. He/she does that day in day out, year in year out. It is the ONLY thing he/she can be counted on to do.

RKS's picture

[quote=suggarfoot]

The only thing anyone knows for sure is that he/she likes to instigate and cause friction in an underhanded way. He/she does that day in day out, year in year out. It is the ONLY thing he/she can be counted on to do.[/quote]

I think you might be referring to Mr. Kawfi. DM has never called me a racist and she and I are definitely not on the same side of all issues. There are a LOT of people on here who like to be annoying and get DM wound up. She has every right to be here and say what she wishes as much you have the right to not respond. What is not ok is people name calling and picking on people.

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Then you are in a club of one. I have watched her call most everyone on here a racist. And not nicely. You have pity for someone or something that you don't even know its gender.

I think Kawfi is just sick of it, as most everyone is. She does have a right to be here, just as everyone else does. What she, nor you, have a right to do is make up the rules for the rest of us. She has called many of us things we didn't like. It seems that some have put mirrors up as they say, and yes, it doesn't like the reflection.

She has been told for years how others feel, she continues to bait and taunt. To me, it borders on insanity.

RKS's picture

[quote=suggarfoot]Then you are in a club of one. I have watched her call most everyone on here a racist. And not nicely. You have pity for someone or something that you don't even know its gender.

I think Kawfi is just sick of it, as most everyone is. She does have a right to be here, just as everyone else does. What she, nor you, have a right to do is make up the rules for the rest of us. She has called many of us things we didn't like. It seems that some have put mirrors up as they say, and yes, it doesn't like the reflection.

She has been told for years how others feel, she continues to bait and taunt. To me, it borders on insanity.[/quote]

I don't read this paper enough to say I have read all of any person's posts and I sure haven't read all of hers. Being sick of what a person says doesn't mean it is ok to call them Jagoffs and Skanks and any other number of things. Lots of people on here "bait"....but you don't have to resort to playground bullying and being childish and start name calling. I don't read everything here because quite frankly, I don't care about the topic, or I don't care what others have to say on it, but I am not going to start picking on people for what they believe. I don't pity anyone...where did you read that I do?

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then you have most likely missed it. I saw no one called a jackoff, but I have seen her/it/his mean spirited, nasty race baiting go on incessantly for years.

It really gets down to if you are exposed to a crazy, day in and day out, you try to ignore them, then you try to cope with them. Finally after all that is logical fails, many lose their temper. DM doesn't act rational and and many have tried to patiently reason with her. It is hopeless.

Look at what is going on, a bunch of people who don't normally respond in a hateful way have all had it. All with one person or thing, it, sitting in the corner trying to look pitiful. Do you think it could be DM, or have all these people collectively lost it? (I would bet on DM being the culprit.) :]

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