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Right must learn to form coalitions to win

We on the right must learn how to form coalitions.

Why do conservative people have trouble forming coalitions? Why do we have all or nothing approaches to politics. “If the party does not adopt every last one of my beliefs, I am going to stay home on Election Day” (sounds like “I am going to take my ball and go home,” doesn’t it?).

The Democrats (socialist, progressives, or whatever you want to call them) have ruled successfully for 80 years based on the formation of coalitions between very unlikely partners.

The current left wing coalition is made up of unionists, feminists, immigration rights advocates, government workers, gay rights advocates, trial lawyers, environmentalists, minorities demanding reparations, people on the dole, abortion rights advocates, bleeding heart liberals, true socialists, etc.

These people don’t come close to agreeing on everything. Many of them hate each other’s guts. But they come together to support large, intrusive, big spending government — because they benefit from it. As long as they get their payout, they don’t care if someone else gets a place at the trough as well.

Those of us on the right need to be able to come together over our core financial and constitutional beliefs. Small, constitutionally constrained government, fiscal responsibility, a reduction in entitlements, etc., are widely accepted among all types of conservatives.

Other issues, the divisive ones, should be taken out of national level politics and dealt with at the state or local level. School prayer, abortion, gay marriage, environmental issues, etc., are the ones that divide us every election and cause us to lose national level offices to the Democrats.

So let’s come together as fiscal conservatives on the national level to take the federal government back and really reform it to reflect the absolute literal meaning of the Constitution.

Once we have a coalition based solely on constitutionally limited government and fiscal sanity, then we can reach out to other groups that have been alienated by socially conservative issues in the past.

There are gays who favor fiscal conservatism, as well as feminists, minorities, and especially young people (the real victims of runaway deficits) who would benefit from balanced budgets and limited government as well. A wide coalition of people can all come together on the money issues.

Then we can fight it out at the state or local level over the social issues that have kept us apart in the past. Social issues should be decided at the local level anyway. Why should the people of Georgia have a say in whether gays can get married in California or Californians a say on our local policy?

We are running out of time to start turning this sinking Titanic of a country around. We must secure the blessings of liberty and capitalism from the looters and moochers who would force the evil and unworkable dream of socialism upon us all. If we can stop dividing, they can no longer conquer us at the polls.

Bill Gilmer

Fayetteville, Ga.

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Comments

In spite of his vitriolic name-calling, Mr. Gilmer actually makes a good point. When conservatives abandon their social agenda, divorce themselves from the tea party, and focus on fiscal responsibility, they will become relevant in national elections once again.

I can't wait!!

Are relevant - and are not only in the Republican Party! This division which has taken on racial, secular, and regional overtones has hurt this country. Americans need to come together!

maximus's picture

What "vitriolic name-calling" are you talking about?

The main point is that Mr. Gilmer is looking squarely at a political reality and making a case for success that conservatives have ignored recently.

His descriptions of progressives as "moochers," "looters," "bleeding heart liberals," "socialists," etc. may seem benign to the Fox News crowd, but are regarded as inflammatory by the center to left wing of the political spectrum. If he really seeks to form coalitions with them, he will need to tone down the rhetoric to gain a hearing.

Again, I agree with his main point.

maximus's picture

...fiscal conservatives need to be more open to the “centrists” like Peter King in the WSJ this morning: <cite>“Some Republicans objected to the cuts in the nutrition bill, saying they were too steep. "It's just too much, too quick," said Rep. Peter King (R., N.Y.), who said he planned to vote against the bill.”</cite>

As far as I can tell they’re talking about a 5% cut to the bloated, unconstitutional food stamp program. King is just another one of the looters from both sides of the aisle wanting to make sure he gets more of our money to pass out to the moochers. The last thing we need in the Republican Party is more centrists like him.

Am I being to “vitriolic”? I certainly wouldn’t want to say anything that was “regarded as inflammatory by the center to left wing of the political spectrum.” Otherwise they might not support free market capitalism and the Constitution of the United States.

If the Republican Party wants to do business as usual (losing the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections), your strategy will work fine. Mr. Gilmer seems to be tired of this as am I.

You will not hurt my feelings with any of your sentiments because I am not advocating for the Democratic Party. I'm only looking at the political reality. Drink all the tea you desire, just don't be surprised to gain the same result.

maximus's picture

I think you’re missing the point of the letter. Gilmer is saying that we need to forget about social issues in national elections and <cite>“…come together as fiscal conservatives on the national level to take the federal government back and really reform it to reflect the absolute literal meaning of the Constitution.”</cite> That’s basically the Tea Party platform.

Conservatives didn’t stay home in all those losing elections because the Republican candidate was too conservative. That’s just what the looters and moochers want people to believe. They stayed home because there wasn’t enough of a contrast. It was a choice of socialism or socialism light.

[quote]forget about social issues in national elections [/quote]

Forgetting the social issues is losing/has lost the votes of the following: minorities; women; and the youth. There are fiscal conservatives in those groups - but the terminology of 'moochers' etc. is not making them stay at home, but voting for those who have some respect for the working poor in our country that has grown significantly since Bush republicanism.

Gort's picture

DMom, I’m hoping the GOP 2016 Presidential primaries re-run Sarah “buy my book and autograph” Palin and Rick “what’s his name?” from Texas again. Now that’s what I call entertainment!

Rand Paul took himself out of the running yesterday. Did you see this?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/09/19/rand-paul-is-right-ab...

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

Reaction to Paul's statements. Interesting to say the least!

maximus's picture

Rand Paul is exactly right. But government run amok is what you get when you give the looters and reactionary bureaucratic hacks so much control over our lives.

PTC Observer's picture

To agree with you

Thanks for sharing your opinion - but I meant the reaction of those who comment on the national level. I'm sure you'll also read other opinions/reactions to Paul's statements.

PTC Observer's picture

Likely loads of air time, papers, and blogs filled with them

maximus's picture

This is nothing new for Rand Paul. Hopefully he can help bring some sanity to the "drug war".

Gort's picture

Maximus, I wish Rand Paul luck, (if he’s serious and not just mouthing the words.)

The ‘drug war’ is working about as well as Prohibition worked in the 20’s. It created an environment for criminal empires to thrive and ordinary citizens to become criminals.

Unfortunately, I don’t see the GOP passing anything that would offend any part of their base. Bringing legislative sanity to the ‘drug war’ will be about as easy as getting the Affordable Care Act implemented.

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

S. Lindsey's picture

I mean banning something has worked so well...

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

Gort's picture

SLindsey, exactly, we all seen how the GOP don’t have the guts to do anything meaningful on that issue either.

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

maximus's picture

...nor do they have the legal authority to infringe upon my right to keep and bear arms.

maximus's picture

The drug war, like a lot of other huge failures, has been tried before - socialized health care comes to mind. Not to mention the fact that the federal government doesn't have the legal authority for either.

maximus's picture

Since Bush left office, almost FIVE YEARS AGO, the food stamp roles have gone from an obscenely high of 32 million to 48 million. Is that what you call "respect for the working poor"? Respect for the working people would mean getting the socialist parasites off of their backs.

Maximus - the Americsn public isn't taking your well rehearsed talking points to heart. Your extremist right non- solutions and inability to work with other Americans is hurting what used to be the Republican Party. Thank you, One of the founding fathers intimated that if leaders couldn't work together to reach solutions to national problems, they need to be sent home, Your ideas may.belong on the local level - as long as they don 't deny equal opportunity to all citizens.

maximus's picture

It invariably ends in Bush or race or inane comments like <cite>"Your extremist right non- solutions and inability to work with other Americans..."</cite> if I mention the Constitution, or personal responsibility, or liberty, or limited government, etc.

G35 Dude's picture

Debating someone that doesn't have an open mind is about the same as beating your head against a wall. You've heard the saying "None are so blind as those that will not see"? This is DM. She makes up her own facts, when she even pretends have facts, and will mis-quote you in the future to make her point with another blogger. Call her on it and you'll be called naive, immature, and childish. Or maybe even racist. Then she'll ask you to debate her without any name calling.

You can't use logic with an illogical person.

maximus's picture

I have to be reminded of that sometimes when I've been away for a while.

Thanks for proving my belief in the inability of insecure men to debate the issue and resort to denigrating the debater . Have a great day! :-)

Debating is a learning experience when engaged with those who are secure in their stand and do not have to resort to name-calling.

We differ on two issues here:

1. The tea party does not believe in compromise and threatens to primary every legislator who dares to compromise with anyone but an ultraconservative. Gilmer seems to understand that this is a losing strategy. I believe that recent elections validate his point.

2. The problem isn't that conservatives stay home for elections, but rather there aren't enough conservatives left to win national elections. Ultra-conservative candidates will only make election results worse. Republicans only poll well with older white men; that leaves all the other demographics (racial minorities, women, and younger voters) to the Democrats. Fiscal responsibility can resonate with a broader base, but when coupled with an "anti-everything" social agenda, the support for Republicans drops precipitously.

Again, I am not advocating for Democrats, I'm just reading the data.

maximus's picture

1. There should be no compromise on the Constitution.

2. As Gilmer points out: <cite>There are gays who favor fiscal conservatism, as well as feminists, minorities, and especially young people (the real victims of runaway deficits) who would benefit from balanced budgets and limited government as well.</cite>

Well Max, let's play it your way: Never compromise and ignore all the demographics. I hope you enjoy President Clinton's presidency beginning in 2016.

PTC Observer's picture

Is too old and rich, wonder how she got so rich?

Law practice? Ah, nope
Working in industry? Ah, nope
Working as a government "servant"? Yep

Wonder how that happened?

I know! Bill!

Who are the young,poor candidates ?

Robert W. Morgan's picture

The Dems have already ordained Ms. Rodham-Clinton and no Dem will challenging her will even be acknowledged.
For her part she will distance herself from the disaster named Obama, but certainly remain a champion of Obamacare - of course the press will start calling it by its proper name and begin to admit that most of it was written in the 1990's as Hillarycare.

Another easy prediction is that the Repubs will continue to fight among themselves and kowtow to the whacky religious right. That of course means they will lose to Hillary. Makes a Senate takeover real important.

Live free or die!

PTC Observer's picture

Like a reasonable hypothesis to me.

on a reasonable hypothesis - DANGER - persons with dissimilar viewpoints reaching similar hypothesis - something must be wrong!! Maybe if we just got politics out of the way - ahhhh there I go dreaming again!! The discussion does promote divergent thought!! Have a nice day.

PTC Observer's picture

It's not politics that separate us, it's philosophy.

Agreed!

maximus's picture

I think it's going to be a lot easier for politicians to ignore the "wacky religious right" in the upcoming national elections after getting annihilated over the gay marriage issue. What other issues do they really have?

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Not that any of that matters to the little people who will actually vote - remember, you get one vote and Paris Hilton gets one vote. Get the picture?

Count on Hillary being the next Prez. No RHINO or even a real Conservative has a chance in the world against her.
Get used to the idea and plan on another country for your health care if you are over 55. I hear Belize is attracting doctors and an ocean front rental is only $500/month.

Live free or die!

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Not that any of that matters to the little people who will actually vote - remember, you get one vote and Paris Hilton gets one vote. Get the picture?

Count on Hillary being the next Prez. No RHINO or even a real Conservative has a chance in the world against her.
Get used to the idea and plan on another country for your health care if you are over 55. I hear Belize is attracting doctors and an ocean front rental is only $500/month.

Live free or die!

maximus's picture

Personally I don't see any of those as religious issues, not even abortion. The real conservatives have to stop letting the religious "right" hijack them as crusades.

But I get your point. It's way too easy for the MSM and pop culture to shape voters "minds".

And I hear Bilize is already getting a little pricey. Hopefully just in the resort areas.

maximus's picture

Do you really think that we should compromise on which parts of the Constitution we demand our elected officials live by? That's what has created all the messes we're in.

And I've been wishing that Hillary was president for the last 4 years. But we can do much better next time.

If conservatives are serious about being relevant nationally again, they have their pick of a wide array of subjects on which to compromise: reproductive rights, gay rights, immigration, Obamacare, regulating Wall Street, taxing the rich, gun control, being anti-science (e.g., attempting to teach creationism in public schools), campaign contribution laws, and many others. Conservatives don't even have to give much on these; merely throw a bone and appear to think for themselves instead of letting Grover Norquist and the Tea party think for them. In American politics, it's all about style, not substance.

NUK_1's picture

Grover Norquist is one of the more inclusive Repub's out there. Regardless of what some may think of his no-tax pledge that almost all the Repubs willingly signed, the guy is married to a Muslim and has no tolerance for the hate on anything not "white", and is a member of the Repub group GOProud. He's also very pro-immigration. He's hardly some fundie or kook.

Norquist may be a wonderfully diverse guy, but he is widely perceived as controlling conservative legislators -- a perception that he has carefully cultivated. Their signatures on his pledge-demands make them look beholden to Norquist instead of their constituents and also uncompromising.

NUK_1's picture

The MSM? Talking heads? Liberals? Yeah, they don't like him. Boo-hoo. Every political party wants a boogeyman and I guess with progressive goofs that is Norquist or the Koch Brothers.

The no-tax pledge is pretty simple and basic. When most of the repubs were gladly singing-on to it, Norquist wasn't that big of a political player. The amount of Repubs that signed-on made him into a national figure pretty quickly.

As a Libertarian, I like Norquist's pledge on fiscal sanity and he's not too bad on other issues either. It sure beats going down the same path over and over and deficit-spending this country into bankruptcy and making our children have to really suffer to correct the stupidity.

If you follow the thread, you'll notice that the topic is how conservatives can make themselves more palatable to people who don't watch Fox News. Name-calling and denigration are not the best strategy as has been shown by the last 20 years of national elections. Norquist may be your hero, but the rest of the political spectrum see him as a puppeteer.

NUK_1's picture

But again...who are these people you are talking about that don't watch Fox News or whatever? Libs? Moderates? Independent voters? You really think that a lot of voters actually have any idea about who anyone one is after the part about "here's what I will give you?"

I think you're assigning your own views upon the voting populace who have no idea in hell of who Grover Norquist is or have any idea whether he's a Repub/Dem/Commie/Anarchist/Whatever.

Then keep doing elections the same way, and keep getting the same results. Good luck!

PTC Observer's picture

The same results no matter what political party is elected, the keys to the treasury have been discovered by the mob.

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