What you don’t know about militias

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There is a lot of talk today about reviving the idea from a few decades ago to ban some of the guns held by U.S. citizens. Remember those days in the ’70s and ’80s? Gun control became a hot-button political topic, complete with rants from the left and accompanying news stories from their faithful minions in the media. But the push withered away. A few decades later, it’s back.

Make no mistake. If your “government” starts with taking semi-automatic rifles, that move will be only the first step. It will be followed eventually by cries to remove long rifles and shotguns, then handguns. The end game in the minds of some of our so-called leaders and their controllers, I believe, is to have the citizenry disarmed. The reasons for such a posture are not the topic of this column.

A part of the conversation from gun control advocates, both now and in past decades, deals with their assertion that today’s America is different from the days that lead to the inclusion of the 2nd Amendment. Guns were in the hands of the various militia groups that dotted the American landscape. And those days have changed, gun control advocates insist.

Okay, let’s think about that. In those days the firearm was propped next to the cabin door and was the means of protection for the family. Years passed, and the American Revolution arrived. I think it’s safe to say that, when the call to arms came, many of those responding grabbed the gun propped against the cabin wall, left their families behind and went to fight for their freedom.

There were no National Guard armories that stockpiled weapons in those days. You took your own weapon or you went empty-handed. The militias consisted of groups of people in very small geographic areas who banded together to fight. Those geographic areas were called militia districts.

But that was then and this is now, say the gun control advocates. But that’s not true, at least in Georgia, because militia districts are still around. But there’s more.

“But although the organized Georgia Militia is dead, the Georgia Militia Districts are very much alive and enter daily into the activities of all of our citizens in anything connected with (1) the territorial jurisdiction of Justice of the Peace Courts; (2) the boundaries of election districts; (3) the return of property for taxation; (4) stock and fence laws; (5) the conveyancing of land in headright counties; and (6) in all other circumstances specifically referred to in the laws of the Senate as presently codified,” according to Ga. Secretary of State Brian Kemp’s website. (http://sos.georgia.gov/archives/what_do_we_have/GeorgiaMilitiaDistricts.htm)

Militia districts in Georgia were formed in 1755. Today’s Fayette County, for example, still comprises nine militia districts, and Coweta County comprises 14.

The legal stance on Georgia militias goes on to say that, “The 1910 Code omitted all references to the Militia as a military force. It is true that the Act of Aug. 21, 1916 (Chap 86-2 of the 1933 Code) and the Act of Feb. 19, 1951 (Chap. 86-1 of the 1933 Code Supplement) contain references to the unorganized Militia, but it is obvious that they are included only to provide for a reservoir of manpower who could be made subject to the draft and duty in the defense of the State in emergencies of the gravest nature.

Technically, every citizen of the State, between the ages of 17 and 45, who is not a member of the National Guard or other organized military force, is today a member of the unorganized Georgia Militia in the Militia District in which he resides.”

I hope you read that carefully. The legal opinion said a “reservoir of manpower” for “defense of the state in emergencies of the gravest nature.” 

I don’t know about you, but I believe an attempt by the federal government to take our weapons would constitute a grave emergency. For without a forceful means to protect our families what are we supposed to do when the criminals show up or when the jack-boots kick our door in? Use harsh language?

But what about the other states, the other counties? Can you imagine Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio (Phoenix, Ariz.) or a host of other sheriffs holding constitutional office across America bending to the will of a federal government that has been out of control for decades?

Maybe the feds will try an end-run by sending in the troops to take selected sheriffs and deputies into custody to make an example and frighten the citizens of the targeted counties into submission – with the hope of creating nationwide domino effect. Or maybe federal funds will be cut from those local governments in an attempt to force submission.

Bottom line, I believe that in the absence of a sufficient means of fear and intimidation to compel us to give up our guns (such as successfully using targeted communities to set an example and gain our compliance) there is little hope of the feds getting their way, regardless of any Executive Order or Presidential Decision Directive that may be issued.

But if an attempt is made, we’ll see the extent to which “We the People” have any revolutionary spirit left flowing in our veins. What our controllers are counting on, I believe, is that Jefferson’s “tree of liberty” has long since withered on the vine.

[Ben Nelms is a reporter for The Citizen.]

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"A Well Regulated Militia"

The consititution says a well regualted militia.

It does not say anything about wholesale access to weapons to commit mass murder against US House of Representatives, Movie goers, school children, univeristy children and such.

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Wrong...

But what's the use...

You are correct in that the 2nd does not say anything about allowing people to commit mass murder, but it does have that pesky comma thing and then that directive of Shall not be Infringed so....

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How to get around the Gun Ban

The Virginia State Code

§ 44-1. Composition of militia.

The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.

This is how we will get around your ridiculous laws... Note the "unorganized Militia" those are the Citizens of the Common-Wealth of Virginia... So viola we are now a State Recognized Militia and your gun bans can't touch this....

Georgia MUST do this.

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Georgia Militia

The question is why the need of all those militias in 1755? Are the reports true that those militias were formed to prevent a slave uprising and to capture and return any runaway slaves?

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1775? What about 1861?
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Slaveholders in Virginia and across the South anticipated that a slave uprising would accompany the start of the war and, accordingly, tightened plantation discipline in the spring and summer of 1861. As increasing numbers of white men left home for the Confederate army, however, and the dreaded slave rebellion never materialized, white Virginians loosened their grip on their slaves. Slave patrols dwindled out of existence in some areas. Plantation discipline relaxed considerably as slaves sensed and exploited their mistresses' weakness in the absence of male authority figures. While few slaves stopped working entirely, many refused to grow cash crops without new incentives.

Some called the 'slave patrols' militia groups. Who is causing gun sales to soar in 2013? Why? Possibly fear of a gun ban; possibly a fear that certain models will no longer be made (collectors)?

No one answered my question - what would our legislators do if large groups of minority citizens showed up at these gun shows to purchase guns? Racist attitudes are held by many Americans regardless of their skin.color. The United States has a racist (apartheid) history. We are products of our history. There is more to our history then the results of racism. Our country is viewed by the world as the land of the 'free'.

As a supporter of my right to have a gun, (Second Amendment), I am fearful of persons who have expressed themselves as SL has, and apparently holds a leadership position in an 'other militia'. Will his organization be permitted to have automatic military weapons? Are some states making 'other' groups who are not part of the National Guard legal enforcers of an 'other militias' individual ideology? I continue to celebrate the progress in race-relations made in our country since the '60's, but I cannot ignore some of the comments made that denigrate an entire race/culture of a people. As we celebrate MLK's approach to using non-violence as a problem solver, I question the path of where we as Americans are headed.

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DM-Gun Shows
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No one answered my question - what would our legislators do if large groups of minority citizens showed up at these gun shows to purchase guns?

Have you ever been to a gun show? I went to one. It was an experience. There were basically 3 groups of people there. First was the military/law enforcement group. They all had the short neat haircuts. Then there was the farmer/rednecks with their overalls etc. Last was the thug group with the hanging pants. Not to sound racist but almost all of these were minority. And this probably was the largest group there. Maybe this isn't a true representation of all gun shows but it was for this one.

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G35

I've been to many gun shows, usually in the company of the law-enforcement types. I certainly don't question what you saw, just want to state that has never been my experience. The majority of the minorities that I saw were law-enforcement, usually dressed in their 'undercover' attire. I've been to shows in different parts of the country. In the south, the majority of minorities that I saw were older black men who were hunters or collectors. . . Not the thug group that you saw. The 'thug' group has the trafficking business that usually supplies their guns in the urban areas. . . Not gun shows.

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DM

There were minorities in all 3 groups of course. The only group that attracted my attention per say was the thug group. I guess my point was that there were many minorities there and I don't think the legislators cared.

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G35

I don't question your experience. Not many thugs go where they may run into law enforcement. Most have no need to get a legal weapon from a gun show. If a third of the participants at a gun show were pant hanging low thugs, the third that were law- enforcement would make it a wee bit uncomfortable for them. In the years that I have been attending gun shows, the vast majority have always been white men and women, and there was always an amiable atmosphere among the gun owners. I don't think any participants at a gun show would feel comfortable if a third of the attendees walked in with thug-like attitudes. What do you think?

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DM - Your experience

At gun shows is the same as mine.

You are correct on urban sources for weapons, no need to leave the hood.

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ptc87 -Danny Glover is a bigot and a Racist

He is also a idiot.

The answer to your question...No.

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S. Lindsey: perceptions
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Danny Glover is a bigot and a Racist. He is also a idiot

Perhaps just a simple statement disagreeing with Mr Glover would be sufficient. Consider that someone new to these blogs is reading that and does not know you as well as the regulars, they may think that you have an inconsiderate mien. Why take that chance?

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The traitor from within

Marcus Tullius Cicero regarding the danger of internal subversion of the type obama is attempting. In a speech to the Roman Senate, as recorded by Sallust, Cicero said:
"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious.But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague."

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Concord - Mr. Nelms

"There were no National Guard armories that stockpiled weapons in those days. You took your own weapon or you went empty-handed. The militias consisted of groups of people in very small geographic areas who banded together to fight. Those geographic areas were called militia districts."

So, there wasn't anything at all in the armory at Concord?

There wasn't anything at all in the Governor's mansion in Williamsburg?

I agree with most of what you write here but armories were indeed apart of the militia districts, a very important part of colonial defenses.

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PTCO..In addition to it's being the States responcibility...

...to see to it that their Citizens were armed they were to see to it that sufficient arms where stockpiled. Armories where indeed a part of Colonial life.

Want to curb gun violence... Be more like Switzerland.

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S. Lindsey: I agree
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Want to curb gun violence... Be more like Switzerland.

That is a good idea. The right to own a gun is guaranteed in Switzerland but you must have a good reason to own one. They also have a lot of restrictions and regulations. I don't believe it is the gun utopia that you are looking for: Switzerland — Gun Facts, Figures and the Law

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Stone I think the stats says it all

Percent of households with a handgun, 1991 (1)

United States......29%
Switzerland........14

.......................Murders....Population.....Murders per 100,000
United States...13,429.......254,521,000.........5.28
Switzerland.........97...............6,828,023.........1.42

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Australia tells us all we need know about Gun Bans...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KLhgZaRvc

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S. Lindsey & Controlling Gun Violence

It's like a cat chasing its tail--fact is, a criminal is going to be a criminal and an mentally unstable person will be a mentally unstable person and they will obtain firearms one way or the other if they so choose.

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AHG so correct...

...but we have to go through the motions I guess. Government does nothing well except try things over and over expecting different results... Now what was that definition of insanity?

I hold the rank of Captain in the Virginia Militia a State recognized and sponsored Militia until Warner and Kaine two Democrat Governors disbanded us. Bob McDonnell(R) just re-instated us.

So I know a thing or two about Militias...now that we have been reinstated and we retained our ranks we are covered from anything the Federal Government wants to do..

So they want to define Militias as "Regulated" by the State all we have to do is have our State "Officially" recognize a Citizen Militia and have all Gun owners join.

Problem solved.

The Virginia State Code

§ 44-1. Composition of militia.

The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.

The "unorganized Militia" are the Citizens of Virginia. So EVERY GUN owner by joining is a part of the Militia so no matter what the Feds do with their ridiculous gun bans they cannot regulate State Militias.

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SLindsey, why wait? Perhaps

SLindsey, why wait? Perhaps you and your paint ball team can form your own militia unit and organize the overthrow of the tyrannical Storm Water Runoff Tax in Fayette County that you so bitterly complain about? ($22.00 heh,heh!)

You got the tools, you got the talent! I’m sure all your loyal friends will back you up. Seize the moment, just don’t talk, talk, talk about it.

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Gort & the FC Stormwater Runoff Tax

It's obvious you don't know squat about either the origin of the tax or its instruments of implementation. Maybe you should stick to Coweta County issues. Oh,and just pray you never have to ask S. Lindsey for help!

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AHG... Gort is just being what he is...

...a clown. You must remember he thinks we can spend ourselves into prosperity.

Like most clowns he does make me chuckle from time to time even if he is a little creepy. Next thing you know he will start acting like his good buddy Sniffle and and get his man love on..

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AHG, well it looks to me like

AHG, well it looks to me like SLindsey got at least one volunteer for his paint ball militia unit. Do you have a patch for your uniforms yet? May I suggest a gold sewer cap on a square field of red, (red as in red clay.)

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I will save you for last Gort...

..Ted Turner "The year 2040 or about then will find the world's crops dead, most of the people in a similar state of decay, and those few left alive will be cannibals ..." being a funny guy like you deserves that at least...

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SLindsey, when the year 2040

SLindsey, when the year 2040 arrives, and if cannibalism does rule the earth, (heh! heh!,) promise me you’ll save your last paintball for Gort! Don’t let the cannibals get me!

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Gort my dear friend...

Don't worry I will take care of you....

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AHG, see, you’re wrong!

AHG, see, you’re wrong!

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AHG wrote:
Oh,and just pray you never have to ask S. Lindsey for help!

My old pal SLindsey is more than happy to help Gort out.

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SLindsey wrote:
Gort my dear friend...Don't worry I will take care of you....

Of course he doesn’t have to prove it until 2040, when we are already dead from old age.

Until then SLindsey can just continue to talk, talk, talk, his usual BS for his adoring followers on The Citizen!

8 - )

SLindsey, I’ll be watching the progress you make on the overthrow of the tyrannical Storm Water Runoff Tax in Fayette County. All your friends are counting on you. Don’t let them down!

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Gort & being wrong

Well now, just depends how one defines "I'll take care of you" doesn't it?

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First Town Hall Meeting Feb 13th Gort

Be sure to come and see how it's done... Instead of rolling over to show how subservient you are come see how the Big Dogs roll...

Oh and btw-we won't make it to 2040.... Doubt we will make it to 2016. So please eat more Chicken wings and bulk up... Saw you at the last Coffee Clash when Sniffle was handed his hat you are already able to feed a family of four for awhile but you could always do better.

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SLindsey, try not to get

SLindsey, try not to get yourself arrested as a public nuisance. Anything less than a full repeal of the tyrannical Storm Water Runoff Tax in Fayette County will make you a failure.

BTW, that’s funny, I don’t remember meeting you, (or even attending,) the debate you had with Chris P. Bacon. Are you still suffering from your Rush Limbaugh hallucinations? 8 - )

See you in the funny papers.

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Actually Gort...

You walked right by and said later you thought "we were a Weight Watchers meeting"... did you not?

I don't forget much there Gort..gets me in trouble here often because I remember past conversations and to me it is a continuation of the same thought string to others it is out of context..because they have forgotten.

Like I said before Gort go ahead and roll-over it is after all what Progressives do best.

I disagree with their process and the way this was levied..not the cost. $29.00 for 2012 I can afford...but they also placed no cap. So this year it could be $50.00, 2014 it could $100.00 and so on and so on.. You may be OK with that kind of taxation...me not so much.

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S. Lindsey,Gort & Stormwater

See Steve, what Gort doesn't understand is that the tax was levied based on their perception of impervious surface sq footage on your property NOT what happens to the water at all! In other words, a meaningless yardstick that gives an erroneous result!