Saturday, Nov. 28, 2015    Login | Register        

She warned us . . .

Cal Thomas's picture

Sarah Palin deserves an apology. When she said that the new healthcare law would lead to “death panels” deciding who gets life-saving treatment and who does not, she was roundly denounced and ridiculed.

Now we learn, courtesy of one of the ridiculers — The New York Times — that she was right. Under a new policy not included in the law for fear the administration’s real end-of-life game would be exposed, a rule issued by the recess-appointed Dr. Donald M. Berwick, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, calls for the government to pay doctors to advise patients on options for ending their lives. These could include directives to forgo aggressive treatment that could extend their lives.

This rule will inevitably lead to bureaucrats deciding who is “fit” to live and who is not. The effect this might have on public opinion, which by a solid majority opposes Obamacare, is clear from an email obtained by the Times.

It is from Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), who sent it to people working with him on the issue. Oregon and Washington are the only states with assisted-suicide laws, a preview of what is to come at the federal level if this new regulation is allowed to stand.

Blumenauer wrote in his November email: “While we are very happy with the result, we won’t be shouting it from the rooftops because we aren’t out of the woods yet. This regulation could be modified or reversed, especially if Republican leaders try to use this small provision to perpetuate the ‘death panel’ myth.”

Ah, but it’s not a myth, and that’s where Palin nailed it. All inhumanities begin with small steps; otherwise the public might rebel against a policy that went straight to the “final solution.” All human life was once regarded as having value, because even government saw it as “endowed by our Creator.” This doctrine separates us from plants, microorganisms and animals.

Doctors once swore an oath, which reads in part: “I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.” Did Dr. Berwick, a fan of rationed care and the British National Health Service, ever take that oath? If he did, it appears he no longer believes it.

Do you see where this leads? First the prohibition against abortion is removed and “doctors” now perform them. Then the assault on the infirm and elderly begins. Once the definition of human life changes, all human lives become potentially expendable if they don’t measure up to constantly “evolving” government standards.

It will all be dressed up with the best possible motives behind it and sold to the public as the ultimate benefit. The killings, uh, terminations, will take place out of sight so as not to disturb the masses who might have a few embers of a past morality still burning in their souls. People will sign documents testifying to their desire to die, and the government will see it as a means of “reducing the surplus population,” to quote Charles Dickens.

When life is seen as having ultimate value, individuals and their doctors can make decisions about treatment that are in the best interests of patients. But when government is looking to cut costs as the highest good and offers to pay doctors to tell patients during their annual visits that they can choose to end their lives rather than continue treatment, that is more than the proverbial camel’s nose under the tent. That is the next step on the way to physician-assisted suicide and, if not stopped, government-mandated euthanasia.

It can’t happen here? Based on what standard? Yes it can happen in America, and it will if the new Republican class in Congress doesn’t stop it.

[Cal Thomas is America’s most widely syndicated op-ed columnist, appearing in more than 600 national newspapers. He is the author of more than 10 books and is a FOX News political contributor since 1997. Email Cal Thomas at] ©2010 TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.


Also on his reading list - Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, etc., etc., etc. Fact: A disturbed individual committed a heinous crime today. Let's stop trying to tie this tragedy to right or left wing loonies. Let's try to calm down - all of us - and continue to have a civil discourse about the situation in our country. The vitriol/hateful rhetoric has a consequence - a divided country. There is no room for violence in politics. Gandhi and MLK fought hard to show us that the non-violent process is most effective.

but something about the socialist left's assaults (never letting a crisis go to waste?) causes my fingers to type the truth! You are right about Gandhi and MLK. God Bless. -GP

Observerofu's picture

our prayers are with the families.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

PTC Observer's picture

Please give it a rest, please.

I agree we should be all in thoughtful prayer for those victims and families.

We can all talk about this next week or something.

Sound reasonable?

Observerofu's picture

but maybe you should be the judge sheese.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

Not gonna happen!

First, most people don't believe in ESP, where prayer by sinners helps, nor do thoughts! Second, Do you want to bet that Limbaugh and company will not say anything about it this week? There is money there, and idiots to rile up.

Anyway, I understand this fellow who did the shooting thinks the 2012 prophecy will happen, but if he really did he could just wait a year and he wouldn't have had to shoot anyone!

Besides, I don't know one Televangelist or fundamentalist church who does not say that the end-time will be in their lifetime. They don't describe in much detail what "end-time" means.

My prayers go out to the families impacted by the sensless trajedy in Arizona.

[quote=Georgia H8riot]DERP DERP I feel this is just an awful tragedy and should not be used for any political purposes. -GP[/quote]

[quote=Georgia H8riot]Liberal Leftwing shooter? DERP DERP DERP "he was left wing, quite liberal." -GP[/quote]

[quote=Georgia H8riot]Alleged shooter DERP DERP Sure doesn't sound like anyone that would listen to Palin, Beck or Rush. Hmmmmm... -GP[/quote]


My responses came after your typical left-wing rant of blaming the right for everthing wrong in America. You have ZERO facts that this nutjob was anything more than a confused schizophrenic and yet it is somehow Palins/Beck/Limbaugh's fault. What are dishonest loser you are. Why don't you just run on off to Namby-Pamby Land and see if you can find some Honesty....Jackwagon. -GP

I noticed some disturbing similarities between you and the shooter.

The shooter listed Ayn Rand as one of his favorite authors....just like you.
The shooter made several incoherent rambling statements about returning the United States to the gold standard....just like you.

Now, we also know the following about the shooter:
Registered Republican
Gun Owner
Calls women who have had abortion "terrorists"
Hates Democrats enough to put a bullet in one.

In the interest of comparison completeness, please tell us if you are A) a registered republican, B) a gun owner, C) anti-abortion, and D) hate Democrats enough to consider shooting one.

<strong>H8riot, you've probably got more in common with the shooter than virtually anyone else in Fayette county</strong>

Just a quick heads-up: the next time you go off on one of your periodic anti-Fed gold standard rants, my stock reply will be "Hey, you know? That guy that shot that poor Congresswoman felt the same way you did!"

Do you fear conservatives so much that you have to make a feeble attempt to use this tragedy for Political purposes? Pathetic. You have a few things correct 1)I am a proud conservative 2)I am a Proud Oathkeeping defender of the 2nd, served Honorably with Expert Bagdes M14/M16/Grenade plus. You also have a few things terribly wrong. I would never resort to violence but would defend (even you) if I was near you and a terrorist act endangered. And why drag your socialist fiat currency into this? Run out of ideas? And I "hate Democrats enough to consider shooting one"? Slanderous. Grow up small man/woman?.... Here's a Klennex...Jackwagon. -GP

I don't fear conservatives, but I despise extremists such as yourself. Make no mistake, I do consider you an extremist. Your positions are held by a very very small minority of people in America, and I thank God daily for that.

As I told AHG yesterday, you are absolutely right that I am "politicizing" this tragedy: it was a <strong>political assassination attempt</strong>, something your feeble mind is unwilling or unable to comprehend.

You wanna play the "proud veteran" card with me? Fine and dandy, I'm a veteran too, like about 40% of the other regulars on this site.

People should be wary of extremists like you. What troubles me the most is that you seem to have the extraordinary ability to rationalize the most extreme behavior.

If a bomb ever went off in Fayette county, I'd dial 911 in a heartbeat and tell the police to visit the Citizen to get your personal information, because I truly feel more than any other single person in Fayette county, you alone would be the person most likely to rationalize that sort of behavior.

You claim you'd never resort to violence. I quite frankly do not believe you.

<strong>You have an awful lot in common with Jared Loughner, whether you choose to admit it or not. More than anyone else in this county, in my opinion.</strong> For all intents and purposes, you could have been his spiritual Godfather.

Political extremists such as yourself are a pestilence on this county.

This tragedy was not political but the socialist left(including you) is trying to make it so. And call 911 and report me? Are you nuts? You had better hope there are ones like me left to protect you. We will end the slide to socialism not through violence but through the ballot box. -GP

Like I said before, you and your kind can rationalize anything. That's why most people refer to you as an extremist.

Good article addressing your "It's not political! DERP!" whining <a href="“Don't politicize this tragedy!” </a>

The money quote:
<cite>What we have here is an attempted assassination of a <strong>politician</strong> by an insane crank at a <strong>political</strong> event, in a state where the <strong>political</strong> discourse has been an unrelenting howl of eliminationist rhetoric and characterization of anyone to the left of Genghis Khan as a traitor and enemy of the state…and <strong>now</strong>, when six (including a nine year old girl) lie dead and another fourteen are wounded, <strong>now</strong> suddenly we're concerned that it is rude and <strong>politicizing</strong> a tragedy to point out that the right wing has produced a toxic atmosphere that pollutes our <strong>politics</strong> with hatred and the rhetoric of violence?</cite>

To which I say, <strong>AMEN</strong>

PTC Observer's picture

if your premise is true, given the political discourse over the last few years, why is it we don't see this happening on a daily basis?

Wouldn't we have more "political" violence, death, and destruction? Wouldn't we see burned buildings, and shootings everywhere?

So, if your premise is correct, where is the evidence?

Now if you can't provide this evidence then either you are attempting to inflame passions or you have another agenda. What is it? What's your point?

Observerofu's picture

speaking of hate. Insults and outright threats.

I think the trans-fats have gone to his head

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

I'm with you on this one. . .and it's time for prayer for all of the citizens in the US. I'm watching TV now - and this has shocked and hurt all of us. The Governor was very gracious in her remarks. And she let the country know that the President called and offered his resources in a NON-PARTISAN sharing of Americans in power working together during a crisis. We need to tone down the political rhetoric - and be more civil in our communication regarding our areas of disagreement. Sometimes rhetoric causes those who are limited in common sense to act without reason. A suspect has been apprehended. Prayers continue for all.

PTC Observer's picture

I have to say that your statement here is clearly the most idiotic I have seen on this board.

Cyclist's picture

I pray that she and the others injured will recover and sympathies to the families of the others that were killed.

Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

NUK_1's picture

Seriously, how can you below slime with this garbage? You are generally better than this on everything I might agree/disagree with, but this is just trash.

...the rhetoric too far:

<strong>“They really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up, and, you know, even things for example, we’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. when people do that, you gotta realize there’s consequences to that action.”–Gabrielle Giffords</strong>

PTC Observer's picture

I am not a Palin fan, but give it a rest, let's talk about this later and continue our prayers for the victims and families involved.

Sound reasonable?

Observerofu's picture

Just saying.

Be careful throwing stones when you live in a glass house.

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

These lefties are all alike...

Like a broken record--

<em>"left is right... right is wrong..."
"left is right... right is wrong..."
"left is right... right is wrong..."

<em>"Surrender your liberties and your rights to sefl-defense"

<em>"There is nothing to fear"
"Nothing can go wrong.... go wrong... go wrong..."</em>

I wonder if any of the journalistic "experts"...
....Like al-Krugman and al-Friedman....
...Have they seen the <strong>DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP COUNCIL "TARGETING LIST" MAP...</strong>??

Nine... Count 'em... 9
<strong>Little cutie-pie bullseye targets....</strong>
...painted on the House districts the <strong>DIM-DEMS</strong> thought they might win...??

Being full of lefty-knee-jerk-idiotic-talking point bilge is one thing...

But the intellectual dis-honesty and instantaneous drive-thru ignorance displayed here is monumental....

Have a nice day.

Observerofu already posted that Republican Rapid Response talking point false equivalency.

You guys need to coordinate better.


Some of us actually DONT NEED someone else to write the script....

Why don't you try some objective analysis...??
No wait.... I forgot...

-- That's against the lefty rules of the road...

Do your own homework...
You might learn a thing or two...

[quote=scribbler]Some of us actually DONT NEED someone else to write the script....

Why don't you try some objective analysis...??
No wait.... I forgot...

-- That's against the lefty rules of the road...

Do your own homework...
You might learn a thing or two...[/quote]

I quite agree, there are some conservatives here who are capable of independent thought and don't need someone else to "write the script"...

You, madame, are not one of them.

[quote=Chris P. Bacon]<em>You, <strong>madame (sic)</strong>, are not one of them.</em>[/quote]

If you need a lesson in gender identity---

I think my size 12 boots would serve well enough for emphasis...

Do your homework.... lightweight...

Please accept my apologies.

With your soft, effeminate posting style and oh-so-precious posturing, I was certain you were a lady.

You can't even issue a civil straight-up apology without being an @-hole...

You really should go pro...

WaPO.... HuffPO.... Daily KOS

They are all recruiting your ilk...
Likely good money....

Don't let the door...

Observerofu's picture

Careful throwing stones when you live in a glass house.

Left calling for violence

Runs both ways there folks. This should not be used as a hammer against anyone.

btw-don't forget the democrats had a bullseye list as well and spoke often of going "behind enemy lines"

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt"
-Samuel Adams
Illegitimi non carborundum

I knew it was only a matter of time before one of the fringe elements here would bring up the tired "both sides do it" false equivalency, and to the surprise of virtually nobody it's the most truth-challenged member of this site doing the honors this morning.

Violent, overblown, apocalyptic, and, most importantly, false rhetoric is a much bigger problem on the right than the left.

Genteel folks are all afraid to say that because they know <strong>the Observerofus of the world will squeal like a teakettle if anyone even suggests it</strong>.

Folks, if your first reaction is that "both sides share equal blame", I urge you to listen to or read some Coulter, Malkin, Boortz, Limbaugh, Beck, et al and ask yourself who you think you are kidding.

Better yet, read <a href=" Eliminationists</a> (a great expose on how Hate Radio radicalized the Right Wing) and get back to us with some equivalent examples of "leftists" engaging in similar rhetoric.

How about NEITHER SIDE! I saw & heard a Psyciatrist/Criminal Profiler/Lawyer reiew this case and after discussing behavioral traits,made this statement: This is not a case of political ideology gone bad; it is a case of an undiagnosed Psychotic condition. Can't we all be satisfied with such a statement from a medical/legal professional?

PTC Observer's picture

I doubt it.

Remember - According to Liberals, "hate" can be defined as any speech that opposes Liberal ideology. And if you oppose Obama's agenda, you are not only a "hater", but also a racist.

Liberals and the left-wing media are incapable of hate and their rhetoric speaks only truth. Only conservatives are capable of hate.

Here endeth the lesson.

I think the rhetoric from both sides fit this definition.


verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
–verb (used without object)
to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.
intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
the object of extreme aversion or hostility[/quote]

The advice to tone down the rhetoric should be followed after this tragedy.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

Seems the whackjobs on the far left actually hate the blue dogs for not being liberal enough.
And the media hates conservatives just for existing.
Not to mention the government hating talk radio.

So much hate. Where does it come from?

Live free or die!

"left wing pothead"?

Lets review the shooter's bonafides:
1. Gun owner
2. Registered Republican
3. Anti-government
4. Goldbug / Federal Reserve hater
5. Called abortion "baby terrorism"
6. Lists Ayn Rand's We The Living as a favorite book
7. Shot one of the few Democrats in a Republican state

Yup, definitely a left winger...

Robert W. Morgan's picture

There you learn who this loser really is.

Live free or die!

<strong>BAD LINK, REMOVED FOR VIRUS</strong>

This is what Liberals stoop to for political gain. They have no morals.

[quote]So much hate. Where does it come from?[/quote]

Check the history of our country. We've come a long way - but the remnants of the past still exist and unscrupulous individuals use this residue to insight others. (The term 'left-wing whacko' doesn't help the 'hate' rhetoric) Don't be part of the problem.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

His classmate called him a left-wing pothead.

I said "whackos on the far left" and that is what I meant. I am honest enough to acknowledge that there are probably as many whackos on the far right as there are on the far left and there are probably some whackos in the political middle as well.

To state the obvious, the problem is not with either side of the political spectrum, instead the problem is the whackos themselves and what they are capable of doing. That's why both parties would be more appealing to real Americans if they could cleanse their party of their respective whackos since regular people don't want to be associated extreme left wingers or extreme right wingers.

And I know I'm treading on thin ice with you here, but not everything and every event and every news story is not about race or politics. nor should this one be. After all the Republican appointed federal judge is dead, the blue dog Democrat Congresswoman is seriously wounded, but alive.

Live free or die!

[quote]"whackos on the far left"[/quote]

This is about politics - and individuals’ perception of what is right and/or wrong with rhetoric. The entire country is in shock because of an unbalanced persons response to unnecessary rhetoric in expressing our agreement or disagreement with certain positions. You're not on thin ice with me - but to deny that this is not about politics is disingenuous at least. Come on RW - we need to understand that the ugliness in our rhetoric is not necessary - and we need to clean it up. The whackos don't have this responsibility.

How do you know that the action was in response to unnecessary rhetoric in expressing our agreement or disagreement whith certain positions? Do you know this individual personally? If not, were you able to read his mind prior to him comitting these atrocities?

PTC Observer's picture

I guess what you are saying is that "whacko" is an equal opportunity thing?

Meaning that just about anyone of any political persuasion can be "whacko" (mad)?

If so, I couldn't agree more but it is the ones that aren't mad that I worry about. Hitler certainly was not mad; he was an idealistic intellectual socialist.

After reading the comments of identified conservatives on this and many other 'blogs' - you do not represent the 'conservative' thought in this country.

I never claimed to represent conservative thought in America and really don't give a rodents posterior as to what insignificant old hags like yourself think.

PTC Observer's picture

hate when I see it and there is plenty of it right here on this board.

It is much better to have a calm reasoned argument on ideas and philosophy. The problem with the left is their ideas are based on dishonest premises. They can't defend the indefensible. The problem with the right is that they are right..... ;-) But most don't know why they are right and they can't express themselves very well.

For the right to win the day, less rancor and more reason is needed. Let the left use hyperbole and idealism, it's the only weapons they have against reason. Unless of course they control the government, then they have force.

We can take care of that at the polls.

<a href=" Neal Boortz has a hissy fit on CNN</a>

How dare that Arizona sheriff say something bad about hate radio! He must be a...a leftist! And a partisan! And a hack!

PTC Observer's picture

Is an entertainer. If he wasn't entertaining no one would listen to him.


Ad space area 4 internal

Sponsored Content