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Cal Thomas's picture

At the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Sen. Barack Obama said, “... There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America — there is the United States of America.”

Those were welcome and commendable words. Unfortunately, they appear to be only words. Since then, Obama has divided us along race and class lines more than any modern president.

Some of his strongest, high-profile supporters in the black community are now saying that Obama’s race, alone, should be enough for black voters to vote for his re-election.

Krissah Thompson of The Washington Post reports that on “The Tom Joyner Morning Show,” which has an estimated 8 million radio listeners, Joyner, who is black, said, “Stick together, black people.” The show reaches one in four African-American adults.

Rev. Al Sharpton, who also has a radio show and a gig on MSNBC, admonished blacks who have been critical of the president, “I’m not telling you to shut up. I’m telling you: Don’t make some of us have to speak up.”

The attempt at poetry is getting tiresome, Al. Why don’t you leave that to Jesse Jackson?

Joyner went even further on his blog, writes Thompson: “Let’s not deal with the facts right now,” he said. “Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride — and loyalty. We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.”

Try that in football. Never mind that the black quarterback continues to throw interceptions or drop the ball, keep him in the game simply because he’s black. If that happened, he’d be booed until the coach pulled him off the field, and those boos wouldn’t just be coming from whites.

In the same week the memorial to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was dedicated in Washington, Joyner and Sharpton are saying that Barack Obama should be judged not on the content of his character and policies, but rather on the color of his skin. How sad. How racist.

If a black president cannot be held accountable for his policies and must receive the votes of African-Americans solely because of his race, then all of the marching for equal rights has been for nothing.

The question ought to be this: are African-Americans, indeed, are all Americans, better off than they were when Barack Obama took office?

By any objective standard, the answer must be “no.” How do black people expect their circumstances to improve if Obama is elected for another four years? If they conclude they will not, why not vote for someone who can create the conditions under which more of them might get a job, for example? Black unemployment is 16.7 percent, the highest it’s been in 27 years.

Sharpton and Joyner don’t have to worry too much about their financial futures. But too many African-Americans remain mired in conditions that have characterized many in their community for decades. Why would they want to continue their lifestyles out of “pride” and “loyalty” when the Democratic Party has been disloyal to them and a better way is available?

Recent Washington Post-ABC News polls reveal a decline in the number of blacks with “strongly favorable” views of the president and his efforts to improve the economy. What people like Joyner and Sharpton fear is a loss of a place at the political table, a table that has been set far more elegantly for them than for too many of the African-Americans for whom they claim to speak.

What the slide in Obama’s support in the African-American community demonstrates is that increasing numbers of black people are beginning to understand they have been played for suckers by the Democratic Party.

They are right to feel this way. Their loyalty should not be to a party, but to themselves, their families and their best interests, which lie outside a welfare system that has locked too many of them into dependence and an addiction to a government check. What they need instead is a reality check.

[Cal Thomas is America’s most widely syndicated op-ed columnist, appearing in more than 600 national newspapers. He is the author of more than 10 books and is a FOX News political contributor since 1997. Email Cal Thomas at tmseditors@tribune.com.] ©2011 TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.

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suggarfoot's picture

who is always looking for things that they think 'keep em down'.

Someone black on here told either you or DM that if you look for racism 24/7 behind every bush you will sooner or later find it.

I've looked at what the 2 of you have written all day today. Nothing but race non stop. You can't stand it when someone ever so politely as KC and a hoard of others through the years have told you it is..counter productive, divisionary, racist, mean spirited, etc.

The 2 of you wallow in self pity and cause indignation on the part of even those on the sidelines who were trying to figure out why your heads swivel as reliably as 'old fateful'.

Kevin are you sure you aren't DM's poor grandchild that has been indoctrinated to hate since birth? You are worse than the ones you state are hiding in the bushes. At least they have the good manners not to be on here 24/7 harping like you. If they have the feelings you feel we ..ALL.. should feel sooo guilty over, therefore keep putting you at the head of the line where you feel you so justly deserves to be at. I must say they don't make a fool of themselves like you do. If you do work for Delta, you seem to stay in the chat rooms more than you earn your living.

As far as White agents at Delta, anyone can walk through that airport and look behind the counters and gates and see what I'm saying is correct.

Delta finished dead last in customer service. That is a disgrace. It takes so little to be nice to the passengers. Yet the petty power and entitlement has ruined their image here in ATL.

suggarfoot's picture

I've noticed that you both 1st try to intimidate, then woo others over to supporting your lame cause.

Cyclist or someone, you kept baggering agree with you that the work force at the airport for Delta isn't almost all black and sullen.

Then in an effort to win over Mytimite to your crusade.... at the end of your tiradd..."Vote Mytmite in 2012!" please!

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Is an America that recognizes and celebrates the history and background of all if it's citizens. You don't have to participate in the discussion, we're well aware of your 'cause'.

kevink's picture

I'd have to out bid NUK

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

NUK_1's picture

I'm TOO TALL, TOO TAN, and TOO good looking :) WHOOOOOOOO!

have to say your are both equally purty.

hutch866's picture

Not to put too fine a point on it, but everyone's taller then Kevin.

I yam what I yam

for in stature (definition 2). Besides he is head and shoulders taller than me so I am still impressed. But then even my seven year old great grandson is taller than me!

kevink's picture

In pain. Should have known it was a low blow from a Navy bro!

You probably kick puppies and drown kittens.

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

kevink's picture

:-p

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

believe me I am and have been a kevin fan--with or without the vote--and since I don't ever intend to run for anything-- It is much too late to try for Miss or Mrs. America--everything that can sag has sagged and what hasn't sagged has bagged--as for running for office, even I have more intelligence than that--

If you are referring to the back and forth regarding race, I try to stay out of that. Both sides feel they are right--and in their eyes they probably are. I have lived a long enough time to have seen the many inequities, black and white water fountains, no blacks allowed at restaurants and diners, and many more. I have also lived long enough to see, in some areas and arenas, the tide turn the other way. Is that justified--not for me to say. I feel that if we all keep going back to the past that we will never surpass it--we were so poor that some of my family might have been slaves to blacks or indians; it is a matter of record that both blacks and indians held slaves. I don't know and I do not care to chart any family tree. The only thing I am concerned with is the present. I feel right now the playing field is almost level for all in most arenas. I feel education is there at all levels for all--if someone does not take advantage of it that is their problem. I am against welfare of any kind--never used it--went to bed hungry many times but I lived through it and it made me stronger. Personally, I feel that all the handouts, regardless of who is receiving them, is to the detriment of our country. There was a time that family stepped in when times got bad for a family member, now we, as a nation, have become too used to Big Daddy providing for us--without stopping to think that we are Big Daddy. I think to go back and forth abour race, as with religion, is futile-everyone has the own opinions and feelings based on their experiences. I just hate to see some people insert race in every discussion--I find that very devisive. Well, there I go again--rambling on when i only wanted to say that kevin is one of the nicest people you will ever meet.

I am not swayed by good looks or pretty words, both of which Kevin has in abundance. I am not in contention for the Mrs. or Miss America title--everything either sags or bags. And I definitely am not running for any political office, I am much too smart for that.

I tend to stay away from the race issue. Both sides feel they are right and according to their life experiences they probably are. My family was so poor that they were probably slaves (it is a known fact that both blacks and indians owned slaves and sometimes they were white slaves). Until people on both ends of the spectrum stop playing the blame game there will be racism and discrimination. For the most part everyone today has a chance at the gold ring if they apply themselves; if they choose not to they have no one to blame but themselves. I myself refuse to dwell on the past, live the best life I can in the present and hope for a better future, so please leave me out of your harangues. Thank you.

kcchiefandy's picture

...I understand what Kev is saying, its just that it (the Confederate flag) means nothing to me, personally, so I really pay it no attention at all. It's not part of my (other than the nation's) history, just as is slavery - I didn't take part in it, would not take part in it, don't agree w/ the practice. There are those closer to the issue that are more sensitive to it than I.

KC has never been a part of the ignorance of segregation. Suggarfoot feels that integration has taken something from him. When a rock is thrown into a group of chickens, the one hollers is the one that is hit. What Suggarfoot doesn't understand is most blacks in Fayette County have no reason to feel sorry for themselves. We have survived and achieved. . ..and for most of us, the achievement came long before affirmative action. Blacks are a minority in FC, but own 20% of the businesses. Many of those businesses are of the professional nature - medical offices, etc. KC brings out valid points of what America should /could be. Suggarfoot speaks as if he is afraid of being left behind. . and some minorities will take his place at the front of the line. It will be interesting to hear Suggarfoot's denial.

suggarfoot's picture

you are...you churn your hatred 24/7

For 50 years with affirmative action and quotas you have gone to the front of the line. A little long in anyone's book. If you haven't 'caught up' in 50 years, you never will. The Jews, Arabs, Orientals that have come to this country never asked for such. It is total BS.

You preach hatred, try to instill it, and revel in it.

You are one sick old witch.

You have changed my mind. You do deserve pity!

What you fail to accept is my arrogance in pointing out to you that I passed you a long time ago as did my parents and grandparents. What held you back? I don't know Kevin, but he has probably passed all of us in this discussion. I could learn from what you consider my 'hatred'. Thanks! LOL

suggarfoot's picture

"What you fail to accept is my arrogance in pointing out to you that I passed you a long time ago as did my parents and grandparents"

Since you know nothing of my family or me that is really a strange one. I don't know anyone that knows me would consider you 'passed' me, much less your parents pass mine. I think that would be indeed far fetched. You are going more off the deep in day by day.

Your hatred spews more and more and you can't control it. you are very sad

kevink's picture

The "Orientals" don't like that term too much. Kind of antiquated. Seriously antiquated. Don't mention it.

Cheers

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

kcchiefandy's picture

...they're Chinese-Americans, Korean-Americans, Vietnamese-Americans, Laotion-Americans, Myanmar-Americans (or Burmese-Americans for the older ones), Thai-Americans, Phillipino-Americans, Samoan-Americans, Marshall Island-Americans, Togo-Americans, Taiwanese-Americans, Mongolian-Americans, Tibetian-Americans...whew...have I got them all yet? Wouldn't want to offend any of them! Would they all accept Asian-Americans, albeit not all actually come from Asia-proper?

kevink's picture

Kind of like black is more apropo than "colored"

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

kcchiefandy's picture

...the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED People have changed their name? I've always wondered, does that encompass Hispanics, Arabs, Caribbean Islanders, Asians, etc...? They all seem to have a different tint than white people do, but then again, isn't white a color?

Someone better get Suggarfoot's info to Atlanta - Delta is expanding it's service. I'm sure, that like most companies thar receive a bad rating in customer service, Delta will improve. What about that mess with Jet Blue? No AC or toilets! Ugh!

kevink's picture

"Hoard!?" Why I never! Hurumph! :-)))

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

If we don't learn from the failures and successes of the past, we may make the same mistakes in the future. You may not have been in a situation where your skin color designated that you were inferior. You may not have been in a situation where you couldn't vote, eat in a place of your choice, live in a neighborhood of your choice, etc., etc., etc. People who denied these situations to others were Americans doing it to other Americans. Thank God and the implementation of the words of our Constitution this is past history to you. It's a sad part of my experience as an American citizen. I don't want my grandchildren to ever experience this treatment as part of the American experience. My sons did experience this right here in Georgia in Fayette County. It was part of the 'introduction' to Morehouse men - <cite>don't get caught in Fayette County after dark.</cite> That was a scary directive to a kid who was raised in an integrated neighborhood and school in California. [quote] It's really that simple to me[/quote]. Your statement is so true. But my experience and my sons experiences are different from yours. I rejoice everyday that I enjoy my American freedoms here in Fayette County - it didn't take generations to make a positive change. If the current generation takes these freedoms for granted, there is a possibility that some Americans will lose them. As long as there are Americans who want to assume that they are superior individuals because of their skin color, there is still work to be done. I see great progress, and I applaud your attitude. The history you refer to is not so ancient.

suggarfoot's picture

you think as some very great men before you in those regards.

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. A hyphenated American is not an American at all... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else"

Teddy Roosevelt

"Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready."

Woodrow Wilson

suggarfoot's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fuzLTrwVbc

THE HYPHEN
The Hyphen, Webster's Dictionary defines,
Is a symbol used to divide a
compound word or a single word.
So it seems to me that when a man calls himself
An "Afro-American," a "Mexican-American,"
"Italian-American," An "Irish-American,"
"Jewish-American,"
What he's sayin' is, "I'm a divided American."

Well, we all came from other places,
Different creeds and different races,
To form a nation...to become as one,
Yet look at the harm a line has done-
A simple little line, and yet
As divisive as a line can get.
A crooked cross the Nazis flew,
And the Russian hammer and sickle too-
Time bombs in the lives of Man;
But none of these could ever fan
The fames of hatred faster than
The Hyphen.

The Russian hammer built a wall
That locks men's hearts from freedom's call.
A crooked cross flew overhead
Above twenty million tragic dead-
Among them men from this great nation,
Who died for freedom's preservation.
A hyphen is a line that's small;
It can be a bridge or be a wall.
A bridge can save you lots of time;
A wall you always have to climb.
The road to liberty lies true.
The Hyphen's use is up to you.

Used as a bridge, it can span
All the differences of Man.
Being free in mind and soul
Should be our most important goal.
If you use The Hyphen as a wall,
You'll make your life mean...and small.
An American is a special breed,
Whose people came to her in need.
They came to her that they might find
A world where they'd have peace of mind.
Where men are equal...and something more-
Stand taller than they stood before.

So you be wise in your decision,
And that little line won't cause division.
Let's join hands with one another...
For in this land, each man's your brother.
United we stand...divided we fall.
WE'RE AMERICANS...and that says it all.

That's the goal!!

kcchiefandy's picture

...unnecessary, for an American. If you walked across that 'bridge', what year did you emigrate to the US (if you're not a 1st generation immigrant, then it REALLY doesn't apply - at all!)?

I wish all saw Americanism through your eyes. The hyphen wasn't used for my ancestors - that came much later. My ancestors did not emigrate, they were brought over in chains. They survived a rough journey. We are coming from two entirely different points of reference. The hyphen was a wall for my people; segregation, etc. It was/is a wall for many who are not 'white'. Waynes poem is not a platitude to many. Until unearned superiority is no longer assumed because ones skin is white, walls will exist. I am interested in your reasoning for thinking that I am wrong. Thanks.

kcchiefandy's picture

...your ANCESTORS, not you. Certainly you've suffered the slights of racism and all that came with it, and I don't mean to downplay that, but it wasn't chattel slavery. Point being, other than your ANCESTORS coming from Africa, the tag 'African-American' really doesn't fit. Other than a Native America (and THEY can use that - no hyphen needed!), we all came from somewhere and are now Americans. Just wondering, have you ever been to Africa?

Think about it. If you sincerely believe what you say is true, and it should be, why has it been necessary to identify your race when born in America? Why do 'white' people check European-American/non-Hispanic? Is there some advantage? I have been to Africa several times. Africa is a continent with many countries. Oral and written family histories have been passed down from generation to generation. Have you had the opportunity to visit the European countries of your heritage? Evidently you are also proud of your heritage. Does that make you less proud of being an American? Why would it be any different for Americans of African descent? As you say, we all came from somewhere else. (I am also proud of my Choctaw/Cherokee heritage - but my culture is African-American. I don't plan on forgetting the contributions made by my ancestors whose labor and intelligence helped to build America.

kcchiefandy's picture

...I don't remember EVER checking 'Euro-Am/non-Hisp' on anything; it always seems to be 'Caucasian'. I have been to France & Czechoslovakia (when it was still that!), and have visited relatives in both. I can't say I felt any 'pride' in being either, just mostly interested in seeing where we came from. I am American through-and-through; the countries of my family origins hold little more to me than a passing interest. Again, enjoy your ancestors histories, but remember you are American, also, through-and-through.

Does the government have a separate form for most surveys for 'white' people? Am I The only one who has filled out a government form in the past ten years that did not have the nomenclature I described?

kcchiefandy's picture

...of those forms w/ demographic info (except maybe the census; don't remember) that I've filled out in recent & longer memory, they use the term 'Caucasian'. You've peaked my interest on just what that term means, though; here's one description I've found -

"Caucasoid race" is initially a term formerly used in physical anthropology to refer to people of a certain range of anthropometric measurements. Conceived as one of the "great races", alongside Mongoloid and Negroid, it was taken to consist of a number of "subraces". The Caucasoid peoples were usually divided in three groups on linguistic grounds, termed Aryan (Indo-European), Semitic (Semitic languages) and Hamitic (Berber-Cushitic-Egyptian).
The postulated subraces vary depending on the author, including but not limited to Nordic, Mediterranean, Alpine, Dinaric, East Baltic, Arabid, Turanid, Iranid and Armenoid subraces."

With all those sub races, how many of those would be called 'white' in todays America?
My cousins who live in France are French. When I visit them, I am classified as American. I have seen the growth of being called American in the US, but as you can see, Suggarfoot is still angry that 50 years ago I was legally given full rights as a citizen in my homeland. Republicans (some) are concerned that their candidate may be 'black'. Your vision is truly the right vision for our country, and with citizens like you, we will achieve that vision. My grandchildren have not been referred to using the N word, and may not feel the need to hyphenate. We'll see. I'm encouraged to see/hear your point of view. And I love living the reality of the American Dream in Fayetteville!

The Wedge's picture

[quote=Davids mom]I wish all saw Americanism through your eyes. The hyphen wasn't used for my ancestors - that came much later. [snip] The hyphen was a wall for my people; segregation, etc. It was/is a wall for many who are not 'white'. [/quote]
Almost all Americans originally came from somewhere else. Whether it be Wales, Germany, Sweden, Syria/Lebanon, Ireland, Netherlands (where mine came from), or where ever your ancestors originated. I am not discounting anyone's experiences or tragedies. What I am saying is a platitude is that the use of a hyphenated term for ancestry is a "bridge". To what is using a hyphenated term for ancestry a "bridge"? To an elimination of distinction based upon ancestry in society? I do not see how the hyphen is a bridge to that outcome, just a continuation of the wall.

You have your views based on your experience, I'm just sharing mine. See my post to KC/ American pride.

The Wedge's picture

DM, I did read your well written post below. In that entire post, there is no mention of a "bridge". My point is the same and not addressed in return--paraphrased - 'The hyphen is a bridge and not a wall' is what I am calling a platitude. A bridge to what?

A bridge to full acceptance as an American citizen. Acknowledging that black people have a history just like white people is my point. That black people brought skills and intelligence from another region to the building of this country, not just brawn and a vagina. Believe me, I understand what you are saying, and that is what SHOULD be. I 'm sharing what is. The only time I have been identified as solely American is when I travel. In fact when visiting in Africa, and asked my nationality , I replied African American. They smiled and excitedly asked what tribe! I am an American. In my own country, I am asked to clarify my race. Have you ever felt it would be a disadvantage to identify yourself as other than white in the US.? If not, try it - even today in 2011.

The Wedge's picture

I have always been happy with who I am, much as I assume you are happy by what you are as well. Who I am has been a blessing and a curse to what my passions are. To know me is to realize that I was not built for professional or even college football. My appearance (caucasian) actually was a detriment to me in mid town Atlanta when the kind lady behind the counter told me to get out of her restaurant for my own safety when I first moved here. I saw some menacing people approaching from afar and I got her kind point. My point is that as we are far too concerned about race and appearance to the point where well intentioned people define themselves by it. Constantly embracing our differences and diminishing others does not make a great bridge. It make a good wall for factionalism

Are you suggesting that the kind lady should have ignored the reality of what is and allowed you to be a victem because she relied on what ought to be? Her concern for you based on reality may have saved your life. We are BOTH proud of who we are- not 'what we are'. We are members of the human race. We are different genders and colors. The factionalism started long before we were born. I post to correct the generalizations that have been derogatory to my race. Sorry if that offends.

Some corrections to generalizations: All blacks are not on welfare, especially Fayette County.; many blacks achieved before affirmative action; etc., etc., etc. Wedge, you have not posted derogatory remarks, and I agree that constant denigration of a race creates a wall. I find it difficult to understand the acceptance of generalizations and the non-acceptance of corrections to these generalizations. Wedge, the wall is coming down. We should celebrate the progress!

The Wedge's picture

I was blessed to run into that lady and go to her counter. She thought I was in an unsafe position due to my appearance and I took her sage advice and left. She did the right thing. All I am saying is that my appearance was a detriment in that situation and that part of Atlanta at that time. Nothing more, nothing less. Please reread what I wrote and see if there is any ambiguity around my feelings for that lady. I think you didn't catch all of it.

OK. :-)

kevink's picture

When we were talking DODT you told me if I wasn't a military member then my opinion didn't count or matter. Now you are telling Davids Mom that if she isn't first gen imigrant then hyphens don't apply at all.

Just so I don't make the wrong person angry...... uh....umm... Would you by chance be God? I don't envision him as a blogger, but I just want to be sure....ummm... Sir?

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

kcchiefandy's picture

...you will know me, my son. Prepare thee thy soul for thou knowest not the day, nor the hour, of whenst our call shall come.

And your point? DADT's repeal doesn't affect you, personally, in the sense you don't have to live with it day-to-day; your support for homosexuals and all other sexual deviants is well documented. DM is an American, whose family - long ago - came from Africa and endured a most difficult time. For me, I'm an American whose grandfather (on Dad's side) checked in on Ellis Island, coming from Czechoslovakia. Oh, and I'm Catholic, so long ago my people were persecuted in this country, too, and often shunned. ME bless America, the greatest nation on Earth, warts & all.

kevink's picture

We'll keep you for your humor alone :-). But you obviously have no clue of what my day to day life consists of. You need to get out more :-)

Vote Mytmite in 2012!

kcchiefandy's picture

...I'm worth a laugh or two occasionally! I work too much to get out much, tho! From what I've gathered on here, I hope your day-to-day life involves transporting homosexual Mexicans and other illegal aliens back to their countries!

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