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Discrimination by any other name

Dave Richardson's picture

My family has lived in Fayette County for 23 years. It is a great place to live, work, and raise a family. We have a great neighborhood with lots of variety from little kids to retired people. Some of our neighbors are native Georgians and some, like my wife and me, are from other parts of the country.

Religious diversity in our neighborhood includes Baptist, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, Catholic, agnostic and more. There are both Democrats and Republicans. It is also racially diverse.

Over the years, our neighbors have included Asian, African-American, Hispanic and Caucasian. We have had enriching relationships with all of them. We enjoy our neighborhood and everyone in it.

Our kids have been taught to love and respect everyone they meet, because God loves everybody. God is fair and impartial, so we should be fair and impartial when we relate to our neighbors. Our kids know that we try to treat everybody the same, and we teach them that people who are not like you can be your friend. They have grown up in a world where it is not OK to discriminate against people based on things like race, gender, origin, disability, and religion.

Our nation and county have come a long way from the days of racial segregation. I’m not old enough to remember what America was like then. That was the world of my parents and grandparents. My generation saw the end of segregation. My kids’ generation knows it only as distant history.

Now, I am dismayed because the color-blind world we have been building is about to be shredded before our eyes.

How do I tell my children, who are coming of age in Fayette County, that some people here are making us return to the days of segregation?

To segregate is to “separate or divide along racial, sexual, or religious lines.” That is the dictionary definition. How do I explain that some people in Fayette County are forcing us to divide our county into segregated districts to vote for the leaders of our civic institutions like the Board of Education and the County Commission?

The reason these people are forcing us into segregation is, ironically, race. The NAACP has sued to create a majority-minority district so that a racial minority can be guaranteed posts on the County Commission and the Board of Education. Their claim is that no one in the 20 percent black population can win a countywide election under the current voting system.

That is patently false. Most of us know that the people in Fayette County are more than open-minded enough to vote for a qualified black candidate with good character and good ideas.

Chuck Floyd was a shining example. I voted for him and would gladly vote for another minority candidate if I felt they were the most qualified person for the job.

Most black candidates who have run in recent elections just haven’t been that qualified or were deficient in policy or character. So, rather than trust our electoral system, these people have to create a deliberately segregated voting system based on race.

I have to ask, though, why are we creating districts to favor just a racial minority? There are other minorities in our county, too. Did you know that 19 percent of Fayette residents are disabled? Why not create a majority disabled district?

Already 14 percent of Fayette County is over 65 years old. With a rapidly aging population that number will soon be 20 percent; the same percentage as blacks in Fayette County.

Twenty percent of Fayette County is Catholic, but where is the National Association for the Advancement of Catholic People? Maybe it is because NAACP is already trademarked.

The majority of Fayette County is female, so should we advocate a majority male district?

Obviously, I’m being facetious. It seems absurd to consider segregating our county based on gender, age, disability, or religion, yet we are dead serious about segregating our county based on race. How do I explain the logic of that to my kids?

We are now going to completely disenfranchise 80 percent of our residents to hyper-enfranchise one minority to the exclusion of all the other minorities in Fayette County, and we call that progress.

The only reason a disgruntled group can force the disenfranchisement of four-fifths of the county based on something as archaic as race is because there is a federal law that allows it.

It is time to reform the Voting Rights Act to prevent abuses like the NAACP suit. The Voting Rights Act was meant to ensure the transition from segregation and a society that denied black people the right to vote to a nation where every lawful citizen has the right to vote. Civil rights heroes like Martin Luther King fought and died for this right. However, that transition is complete.

The Voting Rights Act, as it currently stands, was for an America that is long gone, and it has out-lived its usefulness.

So has the NAACP. Today they have become a new brand of racists to force us back into segregation.

How can I tell my kids they should not tolerate racism if I don’t speak up about it when I see it? Discrimination by any other name is still wrong.

[David Richardson of Peachtree City is the executive director of The Assumptions Project. He has a master’s degree from Oxford University, and is a university consultant in education and culture. He is a recognized expert on the religious attitudes and beliefs of university professors. He, his wife and children have lived in Fayette County for more than two decades.]

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PTC Observer's picture

good luck changing it. We have evolved into a race based electorate long ago. "Turning back the clock" is the phrase most often used by modern racial segregationist in response to a position like yours. Get ready to hear it here and among others that read your words.

So you see Mr. Richardson, segregation is now institutionalized in our society but it is not Jim Crow laws that keep us separated, it is the power of the Federal government, its misguided policies and court ordered gerrymandering.

We all hope for the day when we can all be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin, but this will not happen in our lifetime, the government will insure this.

Now we will wait for the wailing from DM.

S. Lindsey's picture

... but alas the race baiters, haters and pimps still derive the majority of their income and power from claiming racism everywhere they think they see it.

They have no incentive to actually accept things have changed for the better. This is why the NAACP has gone from actually promoting racial harmony and growth to now really pushing the clock back to separatist times. Like Unions they have outlived their purpose.

We have changed. Society has changed and unfortunately so has the NAACP just not for the better.

"Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel."

-Ayn Rand

suggarfoot's picture

"We have changed. Society has changed and unfortunately so has the NAACP just, not for the better"

My father use to think it was a good thing. He would roll over in his grave if he could see the bully it has become.

What will happen if the NAACP wins this one too?

NAACP WINS - KKK LOSES. (The taxpayers of FC lose - makes no difference whether they are white, black, green or purple!!) The issue in court will be - can either side come up with a plan that will give an area with majority minority voters an opportunity to elect someone of their choice to the governing boards of FC. {Or will FC continue to be a 'white only' governed county because of Districtwide voting?} Sad that many feel the NAACP is fighting old KKK ideas. As I have listened to others - and read some of the demographics of some of our northern areas - the reality may be that a District to the north may elect a DEMOCRAT!! SHUDDER, SHUDDER, SHUDDER.

R. Butler's picture

I believe that this correctly identifies the underlying issue, and certainly the frustration I have felt over the whole lawsuit. As early as the 2006 election, the local chapter of the NAACP made it clear that their position was not simply to support the election of any African-American to the Fayette County Commission, but the election of one who "shared their political views". Which meant that the African American candidate who actually garnered almost 30% of the total countywide vote (Emory Wilkerson) did so without their endorsement since he was a Republican. If I recall correctly (and I may not as it has been nearly seven years now), the NAACP actually endorsed Charles Rousseau (D), who received less than 7% of the total vote countywide.

Once the NAACP made it clear that their primary concern was electing a Democrat, it became pretty apparent that they were just fronting for the state and local party apparatus, and using racial politics as the crutch.

And who can blame them. Without the prospect of believing that every non-African American voter in Fayette County was a closet racist in March 2006, the local Democratic Party establishment might actually have to seriously question why their local political platform and brand garnered only 15% of the votes cast.

Many blacks in Fayette County are business people. Most business people tend to be conservative. Most conservatives are members of the Republican Party. Are you saying there are no 'blacks' in the Republican Party? Hmmmm Really? The 'blacks' in Fayette County should be represented in both parties .

R. Butler's picture

DM- My apologies for the tardy response. I was out of the loop for a few days on family business.

My comments had nothing to do with the prospect that there are/were no conservative blacks, nor did I even remotely imply that there are/were no blacks in the Republican Party. So I take it the purpose of your strawman argument in this case was to avoid addressing what my actual assertion was--that the NAACP was not interested in supporting the black Republican candidates who stood the best chance of winning in 2006; they instead elected to support a black Democratic Party candidate who failed to garner even 8% of the vote countywide.

In short, in the 2006 Fayette elections, the NAACP put their mouth where their money was. And that was with the local Democratic Party establishment.

Thanks for the response

Strawman

[quote]a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted[/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion.

[quote]that the NAACP was not interested in supporting the black Republican candidates who stood the best chance of winning in 2006; they instead elected to support a black Democratic Party candidate who failed to garner even 8% of the vote countywide.[/quote]

Some NAACP members have shared that the African American community did not support Mr. Wilkerson because they felt there was a better qualified candidate to represent their issues. (And their issues in Fayette County were not always race-related)

I was active in the Democrat Party in 2006 and was not aware of the NAACP 'Influence'. The Democrat Party as is The Republican Party are both integrated in Fayette County. True, many northerners and African Americans are more comfortable at this time with the Democrat Party.

I do believe Wilkerson is a "switch-hitter", willing to hang whichever letter behind his name that he thinks has the best chance of winning at that time.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

I agree the NAACP wins this one and their district will be created as drawn. Referring the opponents of this lawsuit as the KKK is both incorrect and childish. The issue is simply representation - we should be allowed to vote for all 5 of our commissioners - not just one. I also think we should be allowed to vote for the chairman as well, but no one else does.

Anyway, back to what will happen. Nothing much until next year when Brown and Company give up their appeal, citing mounting legal costs. Then in 2014 the new districts will be used. Not sure who is up for reelection, but if it isn't someone in the new district, the NAACP will be upset. But eventually someone from the new district gets elected to serve on county commission. Probably be black, could be white, might be Hispanic, won't be Asian. And certainly won't be a Democrat - except a closet one like Brown. Whoever it is will have very little influence on county commission other than his or her one vote. The older commissioners will know that this individual (if black) was an affirmative action candidate and was not elected based upon qualifications but rather skin color. This new commissioner will not be respected and will have a very hard time getting projects in his or her home district approved because of the resentment. It might turn ugly if one or more of the other commissioners loses control of his mouth and spouts racist thoughts. All except Oddo are quite capable of this.

The other commissioners are very likely to form an "us or them" mentality which becomes far more political and acrimonious than what we have now. Think PTC Council on steroids. In other words, things get worse, less gets done - all thanks to a racially-motivated lawsuit by a racist organization.

Then in 4 years the voters of that district are going to decide that their token black was indeed treated poorly, could not represent the district properly - all because of the other commissioner's prejudice, and they will elect someone like Robert Horgan. You call that progress Mom?

Live free or die!

I call your sharing enlightening . If there was no racism to combat, the NAACP would not have much to fight. You mean there are members on our county commission who are capable of using unacceptable racist terms? Really? I have never met Mr. Wilkerson. Interesting story. Thank you all for sharing the 'real' political feelings among some in Fayette County. Blacks in our history, did not institute racism. To assume that a black person elected to the governing body would automatically be unqualified has a tinge of racism to some readers. I feel that anyone willing to serve the public has to remain a target out of range. This requires great skill and commitment. From some of the sharing in this discussion, there are 'white' public servants who may have missed the mark in this area.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

No, blacks did not institute racism in our history. True enough. Blacks didn't invent bigotry either, but some blacks are sure practicing it now. This whole lawsuit is to Gurantee a Black Commissioner - NAACP's words - not mine.

And its pretty hard to pretend that a small rural county like Fayette was until recently does not have some good old fashioned rednecks who could be racist and almost certainly are bigoted or prejudiced. My whole point is that a judge's ruling and a new map do not make those feelings go away - instead they leave the rednecks smug in their old belief system and worst of all create disrespect in the minds of those who were previously open-minded or neutral.

I am positive that if things were left alone a black commissioner would have eventually been elected simply because he or she was qualified and ran an intelligent campaign. Now, because the NAACP has upset the apple cart, a black commissioner will be elected from a district and resented by the rednecks (a given) plus resentment will come from those that think we are being manipulated by an activist judge. Some fools like Barlow will resent losing their seat and that is unimportant. Resentment will also come from those that think affirmative action is wrong and demeaning (I'm in this group) and more resentment will come from those that think our right to vote has been suppressed. Maybe that's the point - let whitey see what its like to have his vote not count. Sounds like something the NAACP folks might discuss privately.

Regardless, we are being forced into something for the wrong reasons by the wrong group at the wrong time. To expect a new map and a new district to make everybody sit back and smile and accept the new way of doing things is incredibly naive. There will be bad feelings - some justified, some not. There will be bad decisions made, the pendulum will swing the other way as it always does and the law of unintended consequences will prevail once again.

Live free or die!

[Quote]This whole lawsuit is to Gurantee a Black Commissioner - NAACP's words - not mine.[/quote]

How will one 'black' / 'non-white' leader in a governing board ruin Fayette County?

[quote] My whole point is that a judge's ruling and a new map do not make those feelings go away - instead they leave the rednecks smug in their old belief system and worst of all create disrespect in the minds of those who were previously open-minded or neutral.[/quote]

I think you underestimate the open-minded citizens who now live in FC. Not all 'rednecks' are bigoted - but there are a few crackers jumping out of the box with their antiquated fears - and some in the black community who are saying, "See, I told you - they'll never change". If an appeal is filed using taxpayer money, regardless of the color of the taxpayer, we'll see what the courts decide. In the meantime, progress continues - a movie studio is coming to FC; a college will soon be available to our kids interested in the arts - right here at home! These racist feelings and opinions were here long before Davids Mom arrived in FC. As some religious leaders have voiced, we all have a lot of work to do to practice our religious belief of ' Do unto others. .

[Quote]I am positive that if things were left alone a black commissioner would have eventually been elected simply because he or she was qualified and ran an intelligent campaign[/quote]

History shows us if things were left alone, we would probably still have segregation in the south.

[Quote]and more resentment will come from those that think our right to vote has been suppressed. [/quote]

Oh believe me, there are minority Americans and women who know exactly how suppression of the vote feels!

[Quote]There will be bad decisions made, the pendulum will swing the other way as it always does and the law of unintended consequences will prevail once again.[/quote]

What consequences have you so fearful? The pendulum has swung; minorities can vote, work, dine, associate with whomever they please as citizens of the US. And other than being unlawful in their actions, there is nothing that your fear can do to change that. Sorry you're uncomfortable, but I know too many Americans who will go on living their lives in peace no matter if a black/ purple/ or blue person is elected from a District in Fayette County.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

I am disgusted by people who socially engineer things for no reason other than they can impose their will or belief system on other people. Whether it is the courts, government, the media, political parties, whatever - I am sick of it. I would like everybody to just shut up and go away and let those of us alone - those that are capable of providing for our families and being productive in society. Just leave us alone. We don't want to be dragged down into some politically correct nightmare commune or collective farm (remember that?).

For the last time, this district voting thing is not about race and I could care less about skin color. My comments concern the unintended consequences of predictable knee-jerk reactions from some in the community who are biased one way or the other and those that react negatively and perhaps become biased - for all the wrong reasons.

Put very simply, when Fayette County gives up or loses its appeal and is forced into district voting, there will be dancing in the streets - at least in that district and some will think a great battle has been won. Wrong! There is no battle, no war, just business as usual with people acting like people in a political environment that brings out the worst qualities we have - hate, fear, jealousy and the rest of the seven deadly sins. Wait until the newly-districted school board decides which schools have to be closed. Anybody think that's gonna be pretty?

I don't advocate any of that at all, I am simply predicting it.

Live free or die!

I[quote]i am disgusted by people who socially engineer things for no reason other than they can impose their will or belief system on other people[/quote]

Me too! That's why I was active in the Civil Rights movement.

[quote] I would like everybody to just shut up and go away and let those of us alone - those that are capable of providing for our families and being productive in society. Just leave us alone[/quote]

Sorry, not going to happen. Not as long as one harbor s those antiquated fears of those who are 'different'. You claim not to be biased, great. I think your predictions are wrong. Live your life according to your conviction , but in this country - segregation and openly/ public discrimination is out for whoever is promoting it. The courts will decide, and the citizens of FC, IMO, are above the ignorance of racism.

[Quote]They have no incentive to actually accept things have changed for the better[/quote]

Separate but equal was a change that was not accepted. Hallelujah! You can work along side of me, but for lower wages was a change that was made, but not accepted . Hallelujah! All Americans can serve in the military with equal status was a change that was accepted with great difficulty . Changed for the better has not always been changed for equal access by all citizens - so we go for good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good is the better and your better is the best!

[Quote]Now we will wait for the wailing from DM.[/quote]

No need to wail . Mr. Richardson has made some very cogent points. From his comments, I would imagine he is about my sons age. He and his family are enjoying the benefits of the diversity of Fayette County: a diversified neighborhood, good schools, pleasant neighbors, etc. I enjoy the same. I do not live in North Fayette. Someone mentioned that North Fayette has a larger number of 'poor residents'. Is it possible that the members of the BOE and / or the Commissioners of the past have not responded to their issues ? Is it possible that because Fayette County has such an overall high average income level, that the issues in some of the other areas (poor)are not addressed seriously at the BOE or the other governing body? I wonder how the gerrymandering would look if it were based on income? (Or education level, or religion, or political party)
In 2013, it is based on race, because Fayette County is still regarded as one of the last hold-outs of Jim Crow by many in Georgia.

If only citizens would read The Fayette Woman and other FC papers, they would realize that in reality FC could be a role model for diversity in a southern county in Georgia. I congratulate the editor of The Citizen for allowing open discussion about racial issues. <strong> The change in District voting will not give one District power over the remaining Districts. There will be one representative from this 'poor' District at the table to represent his/her constituents. The representatives from the other Districts will be made aware of issues that may or may not be of concern to their constituents. </strong>

With the states lining up as they were in The Civil War, one may say that 'race' and/or 'states rights' has something to do with this 'line up'. Some residents here have voiced a fear of 'blacks' gaining control. Interesting. FC is segregated/ integrated based on economics, not skin color. It's time to end economic discrimination on the BOE and The Board of Commissioners.
There is no need to 'wail' - for in 2013, the just outcome will be decided by the courts.

[quote=Davids mom]Some residents here have voiced a fear of 'blacks' gaining control.[/quote]
Specifically, which residents have stated that they fear 'blacks" gaining control? Provide specific examples.

The only people that have shown fear are the black supremecists that feel that they cannot be represented by anyone other than a person of their own race. They have moved the clock back over half a century by demanding that the county be divided up by race.

[quote=Davids mom]There will be one representative from this 'poor' District at the table to represent his/her constituents.[/quote] I live in the northern district and am not poor. Yet it is well known that the candidate that the black supremicist seperatists will foist on the county will only represent the black constituency. There will be no one to represent the other races in the county because the NAACP has demanded that someone be elected to represent black people only.

You are a hypocrite of the highest degree DM. Shame on you and the black supremecists that you side with.

mudcat's picture

Run for commission or school board in that district. Just promise you won't close their school or you will get them a park that that won't use. You da man!

[Quote]I live in the northern district and am not poor. Yet it is well known that the candidate that the black supremicist seperatists will foist on the county will only represent the black constituency. There will be no one to represent the other races in the county because the NAACP has demanded that someone be elected to represent black people only.[/quote]

Your concerns may not be the same as the majority of your 'poor' neighbors. Do you know what their concerns may be? Can you share those concerns with the readers of this paper? You appear to have a better understanding of the words in the NAACP petition. Since you are not 'poor', maybe the concerns addressed by the governing boards of FC have met your needs. There are some in North Fayette who may not feel the same way. You have been the cheer leader for calling all blacks racist because of the actions of the NAACP. You are entitled to your point of view. Some have elected to ignore you. Some have elected to support you. I have a feeling that a person of choice from North Fayette will not be Joe Kawfi, I may be wrong. It is my understanding that District voting will not allow the representative from one District to represent the entire county. Who represents the other races in the other Districts? Are the current members of the governing boards representing only the non-poor people of the county? Are they only representing the 'white' people of the county? Interesting. I am not poor either Mr. Kawfi ,but my gender and skin color may be different from yours. There were certain members of the governing bodies that I felt did not respond to my concerns. I worked with those citizens who felt the same, and some of those leaders have been replaced.
That's the American way. The younger generation appears to be looking at issues - not the tradition/practice of looking at skin color. The younger generation will prevail.

[quote=Davids mom]You have been the cheer leader for calling all blacks racist because of the actions of the NAACP.[/quote]
I never stated that. Why do you consistently lie? Why do you hate white people so much?

You state that the younger generation will prevail. How will they pevail when their elders are teaching them that segregation is ok? Your words and the actions of the NAACP have now taken Fayette county back several decades. I say it again - you are a hypocrite of the highest degree.

segregated/integrated based on economics, not skin color. If that is the case then it kicks out all your other arguments. I see the Civil War managed to slip in there also. With the diversity you see everywhere be it the color of people's skin or economics I cannot see how anyone could be citing racism. Since I am on social security and all these increases in 'fee's etc are fast heading me in the direction of being 'poor' I had better prepare to start yelling about economic discrimination in Peachtree City because there will soon be many people running for office who are wealthier than I am and I seriously doubt if they will be able to represent me honestly as they will not 'understand' my problems or fears.

[quote]
I had better prepare to start yelling about economic discrimination in Peachtree City because there will soon be many people running for office who are wealthier than I am and I seriously doubt if they will be able to represent me honestly as they will not 'understand' my problems or fears.[/quote]
In a democracy, it is the responsibility of the people to organize and communicate with their elected leaders their concerns / issues. The Civil Rights advocates and the Tea Party chose to do this by protesting non- violently. The 'poor' hopefully, and only if necessary, will choose non-violence also. The poor of the future, if our economy does not improve, will be comprised of liberals, conservatives, all religions, men, women, Americans of all colors. The segment of the 'poor will be much greater than any union, corporation, or the top one percent of income earners in our country. The middle class in our country represents American stability. As the middle class shrinks, (you and me), the unstable poor will be the majority. Look at history, that situation has been/ is the beginning of the downfall of a nation. We had the strongest middle lass in the world. It was/is the hope of the United Staes.
Our current economic path is leading to the demise of the middle class . Racism is a roadblock to finding solutions to the problems of this demise. IMO. Your point of view is understandable. When in our country were you denied the right to spend your hard earned money wherever you wanted? When in our country were you denied the right to vote? When in our country were you relegated to the back of the bus by law? More and more people will be able in the future to say 'never'. Then perspectives and points of view will be more united as Americans and not as Americans of a different color.

In my lifetime, I have been represented justly and well most of the time by Americans who were not my gender or race. For some Americans, this has not been the case - or as your words express, you doubt that someone who has not experienced your situation can represent you. Lincoln was not a slave, but he did ok. Truman didn't serve in an integrated military, but he did ok. Lyndon Johnson was never black in the south, but he did ok. The human is more than his/her gender or skin color. Some Americans seem to have a problem with understanding this.

[quote] If that is the case then it kicks out all your other arguments. I see the Civil War managed to slip in there also. With the diversity you see everywhere be it the color of people's skin or economics I cannot see how anyone could be citing racism[/quote]

What other arguments? No racism in current practices in the United States? Really? Diversity in business, politics, social activities, has not halted the ugliness of racism. Most of the younger generation has not experienced overt/ lawful racism- and see it as an ugly part of American history. I'll say it again: FC is integrated or segregated based on economics. Where I live in Fayette County is based on my income and my choice. That has not always been my legal right in these United States.

[quote=Davids mom]FC is integrated or segregated based on economics.[/quote]

Due to the actions of the black supremecists and segregationists of the NAACP and the actions of a radical judge, Fayette County will soon be segregated by race. That is what the black supremecists/segregationists demanded. Shame on them. They are the preachers of hate and division.

TheRealityCheck's picture

You're complaing out it? You are one of the many people that would be glad to see segregation in Fayette County. Blacks to the North, Whites to the South - each not having to interact with the other - or better yet, go back to a time when there were virtually no Blacks in Fayette County. Based on your comments and others posted on this site, there are a great many who do not like that Fayette County has more Black people now than years ago. The vitriol in your comments regarding the NAACP and the "black supremecists" and "segregationists" provides a window into our own heart. Me thinks you doth protest too much. Me thinks the very things you say about the others doth exist in your own heart.

suggarfoot's picture

"The vitriol in your comments regarding the NAACP and the "black supremecists" and "segregationists" provides a window into our own heart. Me thinks you doth protest too much. Me thinks the very things you say about the others doth exist in your own heart."

What you really would like is the whites to lay down and give you Fayette county like they gave you DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton. Tell me the improvements you have made in those areas when you took over? Some of the areas remind me of the parts of Africa in the movie "Black Halk Down".

We don't owe you anything. You have gone to the head of the line since the 60s and I can't see it has helped you at all. The only difference I see is that you now expect it.

suggarfoot's picture

A lot of the people (myself for one) in Fayette county are the ones that ran from the crime and the schools once you took over. At some point we have to unite and fight. I'm afraid you might have pushed some old Scott Irish Bible belt (turn the other cheek etc)types into a corner. You may very well be quite unhappy with the results!

[quote]What you really would like is the whites to lay down and give you Fayette county like they gave you DeKalb, Clayton, and S Fulton. Tell me the improvements you have made in those areas when you took over? Some of the areas remind me of the parts of Africa in the movie "Black Halk Down".

We don't owe you anything. You have gone to the head of the line since the 60s and I can't see it has helped you at all. The only difference I see is that you now expect it.[/quote]

Who is 'YOU'? If anyone here made generalized statements about 'white' people - like having fear of 'white men in pickup trucks', the reaction would be predictable (I think that happened about 5 or 6 years ago!)

slavery and the past. Yes, there was slavery--that is the past. Yes, people were not allowed to live where they chose or to vote, that is in the past. No we should never forget that happened but it should not be used as an excuse for everything. You know, I had things happen to me in the past that would drive me insane if I kept using it as a reason for everything I do or think in the present. Blacks were not the only ones mistreated. Yes, it is a part of black history--but it should not be a crutch. When people continue to use crutches they never heal and I refuse to be one of those people but there are those that love to wallow in it. They are the ones to be pitied.

No one in my family is on crutches in 2013. It's interesting that you find my relation to past history disturbing. If I knew your relationship to past history, would I be disturbed? I have met families in Fayette County who are proud to share their family history in the early 1800's and before. My family history shapes my perspective and my point of view. Doesn't yours? It's today's action that in my opinion qualifies the city of Fayetteville as a role model for a small town in Georgia. Mytimite , there was an individual in a pervious discussion regarding a wife's experience durinhg the Cuban Crisis. We shared the same perspective because we had a very similar experience. I am not complaining about my experiences with Jin Crow - for I had the support of a strong supportive community; strong parents; outstanding teachers. and a healthy dose of self-confidence. As long as people make generalized statements about my race, my management of my home and family, my desires for my children, I will continue to give the reasons why my perspective may be different from the one who makes generalizations. I am not a black shopping in the Avenues using a food stamp card. I do see 'whites' in PTC using such cards. I don't judge them but pray their situation will improve. Many other residents in the county see the same. We in this country are in a crisis situation and need to pull together as Americans and learn from our different experiences and pull together to solve problems.
I am not suffering from an open wound. The healing in my family happened some time ago. It happened through the love shown by many Americans of different religions and backgrounds. Today's ugliness cannot destroy the truth learned years ago that Americans working together can achieve anything. Don't waste your time pitying me. Thanks for your concern - but it is misdirected.

frotzed's picture

Very well written piece. I appreciate what you're saying and I wish more people would say it publicly.

RKS's picture

...and I couldn't have said it better.

Robert W. Morgan's picture

How to explain this to our children? Well, its difficult and time-consuming but you seem to have the necessary credentials. You simply teach history within the context of the special interest groups and the way many of those groups have influenced politics and even society in general. Unions, the NRA, railroad and steel magnets, blacks, gays, Vietnam war protestors, public education advocates, woman suffregettes, WWII vets, Some are good, some our not. Some are out of date, some are (or were) way ahead of their time.

Then you teach them to choose their friends wisely, to not associate with negative people, to not be influenced by peer pressure and to never, never, ever join any type of union or social or political organization. Group think is what causes most of our problems. Tell your kids to go through life with their own identity - instead of an identity some group loans to you and many others.

Live free or die!

truthseekr7's picture

That is how the conservatives held the house of representatives on the national level. In many states the democrats won by majorities that is why the senate turned more blue. But thanks to the 2010 redrawing and consequent gerrymandering the conservatives have at least part of a branch of government. Otherwise it would be like the first few months of the Obama presidency. Conservatives used unethical means to hold on to power so the country could not move left like the majority wanted.

Is it wrong no matter who does it? I should imagine that old white votes count far more on a national scale.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/09/house-democra...

suggarfoot's picture

"The Voting Rights Act, as it currently stands, was for an America that is long gone, and it has out-lived its usefulness. So has the NAACP. Today they have become a new brand of racists to force us back into segregation.

How can I tell my kids they should not tolerate racism if I don’t speak up about it when I see it? Discrimination by any other name is still wrong."

Sad, but the race baiting NAACP doesn't make money, and will find themselves out of a job, if they don't keep stirring the pot.

rolling stone's picture

Amongst other values, I teach my children to not jump to conclusions, in this instance about race and voting: see the recent mayoral elections in Harrisburg, PA. Ensuring that each district is represented makes much sense. Heck, you all might just be loving district voting in the near future.

[Quote]The Voting Rights Act was meant to ensure the transition from segregation and a society that denied black people the right to vote to a nation where every lawful citizen has the right to vote. Civil rights heroes like Martin Luther King fought and died for this right. However, that transition is complete[/quote]

Complete? I don't think so until every citizen is insured that his vote is counted in the way he/she intended. . . and that vote represents his/ her concerns and/ or issues. Gosh, do you think the real fear is a Democrat may be able to do that from North Fayette? Hmmmm. May not be racist at all.

[quote=Davids mom][Quote]Complete? I don't think so until every citizen is insured that his vote is counted in the way he/she intended. . . and that vote represents his/ her concerns and/ or issues. .[/quote]

Since when does a racist like yourself get to decide when people have been able to exercise their right to vote? Life isn't fair David's Racist Mother, and all candidates will not always represent all of our concerns and issues. That applies to everyone. You are merely just another apologist and spokesperson for black suprememcist racists that want to wind the clock back to the 50's.

I wreckon that since I will be a minority of the northern district, that I ought to sue the county because there won't be a white person in office to represent my concerns and issues. See how twisted that sounds DM? Shame on You.

Turn their arguments against them. You and the NAACP forget that they (the residents of said District) may elect to have Mr. Presburg continue representing them on the BOE - since he was the choice of the sitting board for Chair. You don't feel that Mr. Presburg or a 'minority' person can represent you? HMMM - but you knew that with Districtwide voting, you would likely never have to worry about that. Keep talking Joe. Interesting. Mudcat is right, you just need 30+ votes to get elected!! Good luck!

suggarfoot's picture

I hope you realize that all your race baiting day in day out, year in year out...has polarized a lot of Fayette county whites that would have been apathetic without your taunting.

You have done more to cause Fayette county to appeal district voting than your small mind will ever realize.

Thank you for always reminding us of the worst we could imagine in your race. You have never let us think the best of your race like we would like, you have reminded us day in and day out that no matter how much we gave, some will always want more and feel entitled.

The NAACP could have won one more shell game if you hadn't got our attention. Thank you for all your veiled hatred you have shown towards whitie.

What a stupid witch you are. You did more to defeat the NAACP than anything the rest of us could have done. Sleep on that you old crone!

You wish!! Many residents realize it is not the black homeowners; business owners; church attendees; consumers who live and vote in Fayette County are fueling your racist fires. Your neighbors in FC have the same desiret o live in the peace that we have all found here - without the ignorance of the racism of yesteryear which you so often manifest in your words. I am not the only one here who disagrees with you, Kawfi, and a few others regarding racist ideas. You know, I have only found this ignorance here, where we have been allowed to voice our opinions. What has actually happened is that the change in Fayette County has been noted and business and educational institutions realize that this county offers great schools, residential areas, etc., where those who work for/with them will feel welcomed regardless of their race or religion.
Fayette County, a stable, welcoming southern county with great communities!

Apathetic: showing little or no concern. Really? An apathetic organization dies on the vine.

suggarfoot's picture

you will do what you have a proven track record of doing when in charge... Clayton, Fulton, and DeKalb....ruin everything you touch and send whitie running further from Atlanta. Tell me one good thing you have done for the betterment of all in any of those 3 counties. You made a mockery out of them.

Apathetic: showing little or no concern...yes, people look over you and your stupidity, but this time you have rubbed it in their face and got their attention. Not a good thing to do.

way I intended, nor did it represent my concern and issues. Guess I was discriminated against. To turn things around, do you think that anyone elected in North Fayette cannot do that for the residents there? Why can only a black person know how to represent another black person? There are many times that things do not go the way I voted--but I accept that, because that is what happens in a free country. I know you still feel that racism is alive and well but what bothers me the most is that after asking for equality and the right to live and work whereever a person chooses and, except for economic reasons, this has become a reality, why it is now necessary to ask for changes because it is still not considered 'fair'. It is not as if people were forced to move into certain areas because of their skin color or religious affiliation--they had the right to pick and choose as you and I did. Of course I would rather be living in a mansion somewhere but I know that is out of the question, just as I know that it is out of the question for every election on any or all levels to go the way I want . My main question that no one seems to be able to answer is why when equal rights are attained do certain groups want separation once again? I thought that was what the civil rights movement was all about.

The court will answer your questions. I've lived in a city where citizens elected leaders based on their leadership accomplishments . Tom Bradley (20 years). Kenny Hahn (I don't remember when this man (white) was not continually re-elected to serve LA's minotrity district. And this year, a city whose majority is comprised of Asian Americans and Hispanics elected a white man as Mayor. The new District may elect a black man or woman; a white man or woman; an Asian or a Hispanic or a Native American - but it will be someone of their choice. We'll see what the Courts decide.

G35 Dude's picture

[quote] I've lived in a city where citizens elected leaders based on their leadership accomplishments . Tom Bradley (20 years). Kenny Hahn (I don't remember when this man (white) was not continually re-elected to serve LA's minotrity district.[/quote]

Then why do we have to gerrymander a district in such a way that the NAACP feels will guarantee a black winner? If all you want is district voting why not just slice Fayette County with 5 equal and proportionate lines?

You can't use logic with an illogical person.

PTC Observer's picture

" If all you want is district voting why not just slice Fayette County with 5 equal and proportionate lines?"

I assume this is a rhetorical question?

This is in no way what the NAACP wants, nor DM.

G35 Dude's picture

[quote]I assume this is a rhetorical question?[/quote]

Of course it is. We all know what this is really about. In fact DM says so below.

[quote]That has to be a rhetorical question. Gerrymandering is used to insure power.[/quote]

It is about giving one group a distinct advantage over the others. I still say we should just elect our officials based on race. We can have a white seat, a black seat, a Hispanic seat, an Asian seat and one for those of other/mixed races.

You can't use logic with an illogical person.

[quote]It is about giving one group a distinct advantage over the others.[/quote]

How will giving each District an opportunity to elect someone from their District to represent them make that an advantage over the other Districts?

PTC Observer's picture

This is not a serious question on your part and you know it.

What is the advantage of Districtwide voting - and who are the beneficiaries? Who has <strong>no power</strong> under Districtwide voting?

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